Hillbillies and guns.

[Tero]

I've not actually seen what the Duck Dude said about gays. Same old guns babies and Jesus shit as far as I can tell. If not Mormons then these Southern folks.

But there must be guns in them shows? Post clips if you have them.

I never watch reality shows. The Duck Dude is no surprise to me. I live in a state that was once confused about slavery. I live with these people so I just ignore them. BUT:

I'm a bird watcher so I've seen Duck dudes of the local variety. We have our ponds (national wild life refuge) and they have their duck club next door. We buy hot coffee at the same gas station. I just need to watch enough to avoid stray buck shot. Or is it duck shot? I also buy my binoculars from the same stores and outlets. They are locked up with the gun display area. Well, the last pair I went to a camera store.

The bunch that is most hilarious to me is the bunny hunters with the beagles. I found all the bunnies with my binoculars after they rushed through. Then I left, for my safety.

[piscator]

In the Sunny South where I grew up, deer and duck seasons run concurrently and duck hunters are a small minority of mostly landed gentry. That's why I have trouble swallowing the story line of a family made fabulously wealthy as a result of the enormous persistent demand for overpriced double reed duck calls.
I've never watched an episode of Duck Dynasty. But racism, homophobia, and cornbread as an eating utensil are sine qua nons of a certain prevalent social class in the prime duck country of Arkansas, Mississippi, and Northern Louisiana.


That being said...

[Tero]

Obviously. A&E and duck dudes must have a contract. It allows them to edit content:

Robertson then said, "The other thing was when we prayed, we said, 'In Jesus' name, amen' … they would just have me say, 'And thank you, Lord, for the food, thank you for loving us, amen.' Robertson responded by saying, "So I said, 'why would you cut out in Jesus' name?" Robertson's paraphrased response of the editors was they "don't want to offend some of the Muslims, or something." Robertson responded by saying our calendar year is labeled Anno Domini (A.D.), which means "in the year of Our Lord". Robertson then said, "I said, 'You Hollywood cats are counting time by Jesus just like I am.' I would think that out of all of the people that walk planet Earth, if we've all decided in America to count time by just one of them, Jesus of Galilee, I don't think it hurts to throw his name in there from time to time". Robertson then said, "So I noticed now, every once in a while, they're leaving it in there."
(Wiki)

But, them guns?

[Seth]

I've not actually seen what the Duck Dude said about gays. Same old guns babies and Jesus shit as far as I can tell. If not Mormons then these Southern folks.

But there must be guns in them shows? Post clips if you have them.

I never watch reality shows. The Duck Dude is no surprise to me. I live in a state that was once confused about slavery. I live with these people so I just ignore them. BUT:

I'm a bird watcher so I've seen Duck dudes of the local variety. We have our ponds (national wild life refuge) and they have their duck club next door. We buy hot coffee at the same gas station. I just need to watch enough to avoid stray buck shot. Or is it duck shot? I also buy my binoculars from the same stores and outlets. They are locked up with the gun display area. Well, the last pair I went to a camera store.

The bunch that is most hilarious to me is the bunny hunters with the beagles. I found all the bunnies with my binoculars after they rushed through. Then I left, for my safety.

All he said is that he doesn't think a man's anus is as satisfactory or appropriate as a woman's vagina for male sexual activity and that sinners are sinners and don't usually put much rational thought into why they sin. He's entitled to his opinion about male homosexual practices and as one notable lesbian gay advocate said, the "outrage" and suppression of free speech by A&E and the radical gay organizations who have been screaming like stuck pigs is both Stalinist and fascistic in the extreme. One may be required by law to tolerate gays in society, but there's absolutely no reason to expect or demand that people buy into or support the gay-pride notion that such sexual activities are socially acceptable. If people have religious scruples objecting to same-sex sex or they just find the notion of men ass-fucking disgusting and reprehensible or they think that gay sex is all about hedonism and sexual perversion and that it doesn't comport with either nature or good social order, well, that's their right and they have as much right to express themselves as gays have to express their beliefs. The idea that it's wrong to express such thoughts or feelings and that retribution is required against anyone who expresses such opinions is indeed Stalinistic and fascistic in the extreme.

It's funny how the gay A&E show hosts who said they like "man-ass" didn't get suspended though.

[Seth]

In the Sunny South where I grew up, deer and duck seasons run concurrently and duck hunters are a small minority of mostly landed gentry. That's why I have trouble swallowing the story line of a family made fabulously wealthy as a result of the enormous persistent demand for overpriced double reed duck calls.

Your skepticism is based on your ignorance of the hunting industry.

I've never watched an episode of Duck Dynasty. But racism, homophobia, and cornbread as an eating utensil are sine qua nons of a certain prevalent social class in the prime duck country of Arkansas, Mississippi, and Northern Louisiana.

Funny how you malign an entire section of the country and all its occupants because of your racism and bigotophobia.

It's even stranger how one man expressing a perfectly natural (ie: "evolved") aversion to the idea of men sticking their penises up other men's anuses for sexual gratification is labeled as "homophobia." It's no more "homophobia" than having a natural aversion to creepy old men sticking their penises into 9 year old girl's vaginas (or into 7 year old boys anuses) is "Pedophobia."

It's not phobic, which means it's both irrational and based in fear, it's merely a perfectly rational difference of social and personal opinion, just as is the divide between classical music and rock-and-roll lovers is nothing more than a difference of opinion. Last I heard, diversity of opinion was not only a civil right, it's a social good.

[subversive science]

You missed the part where he compared homosexuality to beastiality:

Start with homosexual behavior and just morph out from there. Bestiality, sleeping around with this woman and that woman and that woman and those men.

Oh, yeah, and then there were his comments regarding the life of African-Americans in Jim Crow south:

Pre-entitlement, pre-welfare, you say: Were they happy? They were godly; they were happy; no one was singing the blues...

The things this man said were vile and homophobic. He has the right to spew this vitriol; and I have the right to call him a racist, homophobic piece of shit for his remarks. And, A&E has the right to reprimand him.

[Seth]

You missed the part where he compared homosexuality to beastiality:

Start with homosexual behavior and just morph out from there. Bestiality, sleeping around with this woman and that woman and that woman and those men.

No I didn't. It's his opinion and he may well be absolutely right in his analysis of "deviant" sexual behavior in that it could easily be a "gateway behavior" leading towards more radical sexual expression. It's known, for example, that habitual over-use of porn causes any number of difficulties with normal sexual behavior and often leads to more and more porn viewing and more radical forms of porn to attain arousal because of habituation. It's just as possible that a taste for sexual pleasure provided by one anus might lead to a taste for sexual pleasure from another anus...of another species. Bestiality is not, after all, unknown in human sexual behavior. The Romans were rather notorious in that regard as I recall.

Oh, yeah, and then there were his comments regarding the life of African-Americans in Jim Crow south:

Pre-entitlement, pre-welfare, you say: Were they happy? They were godly; they were happy; no one was singing the blues...

I think he was referring to the period between slavery and the welfare state and I do not believe he was evidencing any support whatsoever for Jim Crow laws. And I believe he was discussing the corrosive and evil effects of the welfare state and the ingrained entitlement mentality that it has produced in recent generations, which is itself evil and corrosive to black culture and the best interests of society overall. In that respect I agree with him. I know plenty of black families who will have nothing to do with the welfare mentality, who take responsibility for themselves and their families, who work hard, build companies, build viable and vibrant peaceful communities, who worship together and engage in charity and altruism without dependence on government for largess precisely because they understand the evil, corrosive and frankly racist nature of the welfare system.

The things this man said were vile and homophobic.

No, they were reasoned and appropriate opinions about certain male homosexual proclivities that reflect an understanding of the evolutionary forces that created human beings. He then expressed his religious belief that such acts are "sins," but in doing so he did not throw any stones at homosexuals, he merely expressed bafflement over the motivations of gay men and the opinion that sinners usually don't look very carefully at their actions before sinning, all of which are perfectly acceptable expressions of personal opinion and are not in the least "homophobic," which is a word that radical gay advocates misuse to smear anyone who doesn't happen to agree with or accept wholeheartedly the radical gay advocacy notion that homosexual sexual activities are unquestionably and irrevocably socially and morally appropriate and acceptable and that dissent must be crushed and dissenters reviled and punished for having a different opinion about homosexual sex acts. That's heterophobic bigotry and intolerance of the worst sort made manifest.

He has the right to spew this vitriol; and I have the right to call him a racist, homophobic piece of shit for his remarks. And, A&E has the right to reprimand him.

Yes, you do, and A&E does as well, thanks to our Constitution and the people who wrote it. And WE have the right to come to his defense and call people who call him names racist heterophobic pieces of shit for their remarks, and we have the right to boycott and put economic and social pressure on A&E to quit being heterophobic, anti-religious, anti-gun bigots and hypocrites. And that is precisely what is happening. Welcome to the sauce, gander.

[Tero]

And the guns? I already know enough about all the other stuff. Except, can you insert Duck Commander intonyour anus, fart, and make duck sounds?

[piscator]

Oh, yeah, and then there were his comments regarding the life of African-Americans in Jim Crow south:

Pre-entitlement, pre-welfare, you say: Were they happy? They were godly; they were happy; no one was singing the blues...

I think he was referring to the period between slavery and the welfare state and I do not believe he was evidencing any support whatsoever for Jim Crow laws. And I believe he was discussing the corrosive and evil effects of the welfare state and the ingrained entitlement mentality that it has produced in recent generations, which is itself evil and corrosive to black culture and the best interests of society overall. In that respect I agree with him. I know plenty of black families who will have nothing to do with the welfare mentality, who take responsibility for themselves and their families, who work hard, build companies, build viable and vibrant peaceful communities, who worship together and engage in charity and altruism without dependence on government for largess precisely because they understand the evil, corrosive and frankly racist nature of the welfare system.

So to be clear, when you talk about "Welfare state" and "Entitlements", you're talking principally about African Americans, right?

[piscator]

Back to topic...

[Sean Hayden]

My heart bleeds for them.

[pErvinalia]

In the Sunny South where I grew up, deer and duck seasons run concurrently and duck hunters are a small minority of mostly landed gentry. That's why I have trouble swallowing the story line of a family made fabulously wealthy as a result of the enormous persistent demand for overpriced double reed duck calls.

Your skepticism is based on your ignorance of the hunting industry.

I've never watched an episode of Duck Dynasty. But racism, homophobia, and cornbread as an eating utensil are sine qua nons of a certain prevalent social class in the prime duck country of Arkansas, Mississippi, and Northern Louisiana.

Funny how you malign an entire section of the country and all its occupants because of your racism and bigotophobia.

It's even stranger how one man expressing a perfectly natural (ie: "evolved") aversion to the idea of men sticking their penises up other men's anuses for sexual gratification is labeled as "homophobia." It's no more "homophobia" than having a natural aversion to creepy old men sticking their penises into 9 year old girl's vaginas (or into 7 year old boys anuses) is "Pedophobia."

It's not phobic, which means it's both irrational and based in fear, it's merely a perfectly rational difference of social and personal opinion, just as is the divide between classical music and rock-and-roll lovers is nothing more than a difference of opinion. Last I heard, diversity of opinion was not only a civil right, it's a social good.

I haven't seen what he said, and I've never seen the show... but didn't he link homosexuality to bestiality? If so, that's certainly homophobic behaviour.

[pErvinalia]

You missed the part where he compared homosexuality to beastiality:

Start with homosexual behavior and just morph out from there. Bestiality, sleeping around with this woman and that woman and that woman and those men.

Oh, yeah, and then there were his comments regarding the life of African-Americans in Jim Crow south:

Pre-entitlement, pre-welfare, you say: Were they happy? They were godly; they were happy; no one was singing the blues...

The things this man said were vile and homophobic. He has the right to spew this vitriol; and I have the right to call him a racist, homophobic piece of shit for his remarks. And, A&E has the right to reprimand him.

Ah yes. Definitely a bigoted wankstain. He's undoubtedly a Republican voter. No wonder Seth is sticking up for him.

[pErvinalia]

You missed the part where he compared homosexuality to beastiality:

Start with homosexual behavior and just morph out from there. Bestiality, sleeping around with this woman and that woman and that woman and those men.

No I didn't. It's his opinion and he may well be absolutely right in his analysis of "deviant" sexual behavior in that it could easily be a "gateway behavior" leading towards more radical sexual expression. It's known, for example, that habitual over-use of porn causes any number of difficulties with normal sexual behavior and often leads to more and more porn viewing and more radical forms of porn to attain arousal because of habituation. It's just as possible that a taste for sexual pleasure provided by one anus might lead to a taste for sexual pleasure from another anus...of another species.

You're a fucking joke!

[Tero]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aydBALoPU_M
shotguns

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0k0ynClUro0
guns and shit