The case against guns

[Gallstones]

http://www.securitydegreehub.com/mass-shootings/

[Gallstones]

Teenagers in CT Arrested for Making & Selling Homemade “Zip Guns”

[Seth]

I don't miss my guns. I never had any guns. I'm about as likely to ever need a gun as I am to need a 19th Century steam-carousel. And I'd rather have the steam carousel.

Yup. That's the experience of most people. They don't need a gun...until they do. And when they do, it's the difference between living and dying most times. I have absolutely no problem with you making this decision for yourself, that's your right. What I do have a problem with is when you advocate or support government laws that make this decision for me...or anyone else. That's wrong and it's evil.

[Gallstones]

[piscator]

I don't miss my guns. I never had any guns. I'm about as likely to ever need a gun as I am to need a 19th Century steam-carousel. And I'd rather have the steam carousel.

I find it ironic that this present interlude of peace and security in the green and pleasant land is brought to you by the ceaseless toils and constant vigilance of rough men with steam carousels

[Svartalf]

So guns make people want to kill themselves?

No, they just provide an easy, pretty surefire means for those that are down/crazy enough to actually act on their self destructive impulse

[Svartalf]

I don't miss my guns. I never had any guns. I'm about as likely to ever need a gun as I am to need a 19th Century steam-carousel. And I'd rather have the steam carousel.

I'd like to have a gun, or several. I certainly hope never to need them, then again, I own a hammer I don't really need, and actually a lot of stuff for which I have no actual need, but whose possession I still enjoy (including most of my books)

[laklak]

I want one of those fucking steam carousels.

[Seth]

So guns make people want to kill themselves?

No, they just provide an easy, pretty surefire means for those that are down/crazy enough to actually act on their self destructive impulse

And that's a problem because....???

[Svartalf]

So guns make people want to kill themselves?

No, they just provide an easy, pretty surefire means for those that are down/crazy enough to actually act on their self destructive impulse

And that's a problem because....???

Because it might let some suicidal folk get dead which might have been avoided if they didn't have access to such easy self-termination devices... But I assume that your own reaction to a suicide is the granting of a Darwin award rather than feeling for the tragedy inherent to it.

[Tero]

I don't have a problem with gun suicides otherwise, but males tend to shoot entire families before shooting themselves. If you are brave enough to kill yourself, use a cord or rope.

[Seth]

So guns make people want to kill themselves?

No, they just provide an easy, pretty surefire means for those that are down/crazy enough to actually act on their self destructive impulse

And that's a problem because....???

Because it might let some suicidal folk get dead which might have been avoided if they didn't have access to such easy self-termination devices...

That's not a problem, it's a feature.

But I assume that your own reaction to a suicide is the granting of a Darwin award rather than feeling for the tragedy inherent to it.

It may well be tragic for the survivors, but it is the most essential and important aspect of individual liberty that there is. Honoring the right to individual sovereignty and liberty by refusing to interfere with efficient and effective methods of suicide is interference with a fundamental right not for the benefit of the individual, but for the benefit of those who might be emotionally or financially impacted by the loss of the suicidal individual. In other words, the motivation on the part of the family and friends is selfish. They don't want to lose the companion. But perhaps the companion wants to lose them. The motivation of the government, as expressed by the courts and the law, is purely to prevent the loss of economic value of a worker. Anti-suicide laws are almost all based in the arrogant and tyrannical presumption on the part of the government that it has authority to prohibit suicide in order to keep the workforce intact. That's no less involuntary servitude than putting chains on someone's neck.

The only important consideration is what the individual wishes to do because no one has a right to force anyone else to endure the unendurable for one minute longer than the person chooses to do so.

This doesn't mean that it's not appropriate to offer counseling and try to persuade the individual not to kill himself, it just means that interfering with an individual's ability to do so quickly and effectively when that person has made the decision to die is intolerably arrogant and evil.

[Seth]

I don't have a problem with gun suicides otherwise, but males tend to shoot entire families before shooting themselves. If you are brave enough to kill yourself, use a cord or rope.

Yes, that's a problem, but the solution is for the potential victims to defend themselves.

[Gallstones]

Worlds' first 3D printed Metal 1911




http://www.concealednation.org/2013/11/ ... metal-gun/

Calling this an enormous step forward in 3D firearm printing is an understatement. This technology will not only create brand new firearms at a fraction of the cost, it will also allow gunsmiths to create custom and replacement parts on the fly.

[Seth]

Worlds' first 3D printed Metal 1911




http://www.concealednation.org/2013/11/ ... metal-gun/

Calling this an enormous step forward in 3D firearm printing is an understatement. This technology will not only create brand new firearms at a fraction of the cost, it will also allow gunsmiths to create custom and replacement parts on the fly.

I love technology. This is going to drive Obama nuts...well, more nuts.

In less than a decade the metal printer will be available for a few thousand dollars to anyone.

By the way, did you (and by that I mean all you anti-gun nuts) know that it's perfectly legal for an individual to build his own firearm, without any permission from the BATFE, without registering anything and without having to apply a serial number to it.

As long as its for personal use and not for sale, it's perfectly legal to do.

That's why I've got a couple of "80%" AR receivers that haven't had the trigger pack well milled out, but everything else is complete. I can finish the receiver with a drill press and assemble a rifle without a serial number legally.