What did this family not have that it needed?

[Seth]

As I have said time and time again, "rights" are arbitrary, made by humans and changeable. There was a time when royalty considered they could do anything by the 'divine right of kings'. They were just as incorrect in that belief as those who think owning a gun is a human right. How stupid is that belief? Total nuts!

As I said before, there are 195 nations in the world today and only one (count it, one) makes owning a gun part of their constitution. That shows that the majority of the human species knows, as I do, that it is a load of codswallop.

All the sheeple of the world are simply delusionally wrong. It's just that simple. The right to be armed for self defense is inherent, natural, unalienable and universal no matter what you or anyone else has to say about it.

[Seth]

Or "Hi honey, I'm home! I brought you breakfast!"

So, no birthday surprise parties for you.

Nope. Not a one, ever.

All my friends know enough to knock and announce and await response in my house because I've told them that if they don't, they're likely to get shot.

You know that they are really friends when they still talk to you.

Indeed. If they are offended by my warning, or my guns, they aren't my friends.

If you're going to keep a gun for self defense in the home, planning, training and coordination with other family members is absolutely required. Otherwise things like this happen.

Use a smartphone mit GPS and a tracker app that will always tell you where your family members are. That way, before shooting that ugly intruder in the kitchen, you can always first check whether it might not be your significant other.

Unnecessary if you have proper training which emphasizes as one of its prime directives proper target identification before you even put your finger on the trigger. You NEVER shoot through anything at a sound, unless it's the sound of rounds coming through the door at you.

My grandfather told a story about a time he was hunting grouse. He and his hunting companion heard a noise in the brush, but being safe hunters didn't do anything. Moments later a man stumbled out of the brush. He was gagged and his shotgun was shoved through his elbows behind his back and his hands tied in front of him. Around his neck was a piece of paper on a string with the message "I shoot at sounds in the brush" on it.

That's why I advocate universal firearms training in school as part of the mandatory curriculum, starting in the first grade and continuing through high school.

[Seth]

The majority of the human species are stupid, ignorant ground apes and couldn't be trusted with a dull butter knife.

Which is why the US citizens among them have the constitutional right to bear arms?

Yup. Ipso facto we are the smart ones. Those among us who are stupid and misuse their rights lose the ability to exercise them. Unlike everybody else though, we wait till someone actually misuses their rights to punish them rather than punishing everyone by infringing on their rights on the ridiculous theory that it's better to oppress everyone and make helpless victims of them than to deal with the increasingly rare instances of misuse on an individual basis.

[klr]

This thread is now where it belongs

[Seth]

The basic principle is simple. Where there are guns, people get killed.

Well, certainly people CAN get killed where there are guns. But then again people get killed with all sorts of things. Shall we ban all those deadly things? If not, why not?

It's also important to categorized WHO gets killed and WHY they get killed, because not every case of a human being killed by a gun is a bad thing.

Where there are few or no guns, the killing is massively reduced.

No, it's not. This is a typical fallacy that you spout because you cherry-pick your statistics to suit your biases. The fact is that where there are few guns in the possession of the law-abiding civilian populace, killing and criminal victimization...and genocide...go UP dramatically.

The other verifiable fact is that where more law abiding citizens are allowed to carry concealed firearms, fewer violent crimes are committed and fewer murders occur. There is simply no disputing this fact.

If, like me, you value human life, you should be in favor of sane gun control.

I favor sane gun control. I want every person carrying a gun to be sane and to control that gun whenever it's in their possession so that it's only discharged in the precise direction of a valid imminent deadly threat as authorized by law.

The whole of the USA has easy access to guns.

Not really.

And 100,000 people each year receive a bullet.

Bogus statistic, as we've proven.

Every other western nation has a lot fewer guns, and a much lower kill rate.

By firearms perhaps. But the rates of criminal victimization are also proportionately higher and murders are committed with other deadly weapons.

With the sole exception of Switzerland, which is unusually sane,

What is your critically robust scientific evidence that the Swiss are "unusually sane?"

there is a clear cut relationship between number of guns in the population and the murder rate.

Yes, there is, but it's not the one you think it is. The clear-cut relationship is that the greater the number of guns in the hands of law-abiding citizens, the lower the murder rate and the lower the rate of violent crime in all categories.

Of course, in non western nations, where murder is 'in their blood', not having guns does not slow them down.

What an asinine and racist statement.

[Seth]

This thread is now where it belongs

No it's where douchbag hoplophobes and free speech censors want it. Big difference.

[klr]

Them's the house rules. Don't like 'em, you don't have to come here.

[Seth]

Them's the house rules. Don't like 'em, you don't have to come here.

Then again I can complain about them. Douchebags who can't scroll past something they find unpalatable shouldn't be allowed membership here in the first place, and should be booted out if they sneak in.

[AvtomatKalashnikova]

This thread is now where it belongs

No it's where douchbag hoplophobes and free speech censors want it. Big difference.

Now is in best club, what is problem comrade?

[Seth]

This thread is now where it belongs

No it's where douchbag hoplophobes and free speech censors want it. Big difference.

Now is in best club, what is problem comrade?

The Gun Club was created as a way to hide gun-related threads from douchebags who have no self control. Therefore I object on principle.

[Blind groper]

Seth

You started this thread, and started it in a forum section other than gun club. You have no "right" to object.

Couple of other points.
1. 100,000 is the correct number for the people each year in the USA who receive a bullet through some part of their anatomy. Roughly 14,000 of them are suicides or attempted suicides. 12,000 are murders. There are a few gun accidents, and a few police killings. The rest are wounds caused mainly by would-be murderers,but with a few accidental woundings. When you take 100,000 per year, and multiply by 79 (average American life span) and divide by population and make an allowance for some people being shot twice, you end up with 1 in 50 Americans receiving a bullet some time in their life span.

2. The USA has the highest, by far, murder rate in the western world. Finland is second highest, but has half the rate. Excluding Switzerland, there is a nice clear relationship among all the developed countries, of murder rate is correlated to gun ownership.

[AvtomatKalashnikova]

Seth

You started this thread, and started it in a forum section other than gun club. You have no "right" to object.

Couple of other points.
1. 100,000 is the correct number for the people each year in the USA who receive a bullet through some part of their anatomy. Roughly 14,000 of them are suicides or attempted suicides. 12,000 are murders. There are a few gun accidents, and a few police killings. The rest are wounds caused mainly by would-be murderers,but with a few accidental woundings. When you take 100,000 per year, and multiply by 79 (average American life span) and divide by population and make an allowance for some people being shot twice, you end up with 1 in 50 Americans receiving a bullet some time in their life span.

2. The USA has the highest, by far, murder rate in the western world. Finland is second highest, but has half the rate. Excluding Switzerland, there is a nice clear relationship among all the developed countries, of murder rate is correlated to gun ownership.

One hundred thousands American per year is sound inflated, unless sometimes some American shot several times in year and is not counted as one. Avtomat have been in America many years, know many Americans of North, South, middle-west, but of all, not one has bellet hole! Of course, is help that none of American in this sample is gangster or drug trader... maybe if associating with such character, would know of bullet hole folk!

[Blind groper]

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter ... post-says/

Avtomat

The reference above details how it is that about 100,000 people receive a bullet each year. They added up 104,000, but 100,000 is a nice round number.

[JimC]

This thread is number one with a bullet!

[AvtomatKalashnikova]

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter ... post-says/

Avtomat

The reference above details how it is that about 100,000 people receive a bullet each year. They added up 104,000, but 100,000 is a nice round number.

This reference you showing include people who give bullet to self, also not mention if maybe people bit giving bullet to self is criminal get shot by criminal, or get shot by police. Is clear you want for people to think normal American person dodging bullets on way back and forth to office, but your numbers not proving this at all!