Idiots

[Tero]

We've already explained that. That is merely the 2nd hijacked by the NRA. Of course it promotes gun sales.

But the 2nd has nothing to do with individuals. It was clearly meant for states to protect themselves. Militias. Gun ownership was assumed back then but not addressed by law. That was left to the states to figure out.

[Rum]

It strikes me as supremely dumb to want more rather than fewer guns in the society one lives in.

[JimC]

Why do you have the second amendment?

The answer to that one is easy. Because the American government is about as corrupt as it is possible to be, and the gun makers have lots of money for bribes.

You honestly believe it's some corporate/government conspiracy to get people to spend money on guns?

You think all of these "gun makers" even existed when the 2nd Amendment was written?

Your cluelessness is absolutely fucking hilarious.

But that doesn't mean that the gun manufacturers won't contribute heavily to any campaign against gun control, it being clearly in their financial interest...

[Blind groper]

Obviously the gun makers and their mega millions of dollars per annum for "public relations" were not around when the second amendment was first written.

But the USA is not the only country to have had such an idiotic policy. Britain had one and rescinded it when they realised what a disaster it was. The USA has never rescinded their idiotic second amendment for the two reasons I gave. The government is corrupt, and the gun makers spend hundreds of millions each year, much on bribes including political bribes.

[Seth]

Colorado allows idiot/unstable man to own multiple weapons
CNN affiliate KRDO reported that a heavily armed man shot and killed a bicyclist and two women.
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/col ... ct-n455131
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/co ... in-custody

this is what you get when you ban registering guns. Men 20-40 are in the group that usually cracks up for some random reason. The final straw.

You lie. Colorado didn't "allow" him to do what he did, he broke the law. We don't know yet where he got the gun or why he shot people, but we do know that all of the laws against possessing guns to illegally use them and the laws against killing people didn't stop him, and neither would one more law.

And this incident is merely more persuasive evidence that ordinary citizens need to be armed for self defense. Things would have gone differently if several armed citizens had immediately fired upon him when it became evident he was killing people rather than having to wait for the police. Once again a demonstration of the fact that when death is staring you in the face, the police are only minutes away.

[Seth]

We've already explained that. That is merely the 2nd hijacked by the NRA. Of course it promotes gun sales.

It promotes gun rights, as it should, because that's what we members pay it to do.

But the 2nd has nothing to do with individuals. It was clearly meant for states to protect themselves. Militias. Gun ownership was assumed back then but not addressed by law. That was left to the states to figure out.

You keep stating this like it's anything other than a delusion you cling to. It's not, it's a delusion and the Supreme Court says so. We win, you lose. Get used to it.

[Seth]

It strikes me as supremely dumb to want more rather than fewer guns in the society one lives in.

That's because you don't understand the issue. That's your problem, not ours.

[Seth]

Why do you have the second amendment?

The answer to that one is easy. Because the American government is about as corrupt as it is possible to be, and the gun makers have lots of money for bribes.

You honestly believe it's some corporate/government conspiracy to get people to spend money on guns?

You think all of these "gun makers" even existed when the 2nd Amendment was written?

Your cluelessness is absolutely fucking hilarious.

But that doesn't mean that the gun manufacturers won't contribute heavily to any campaign against gun control, it being clearly in their financial interest...

And why shouldn't they? They produce a legal consumer product that is in high demand. Any producer of consumer products is justified in supporting legislation that aids the industry and opposing legislation that harms and it is a perfectly natural and appropriate thing to do.

[Rum]

It strikes me as supremely dumb to want more rather than fewer guns in the society one lives in.

That's because you don't understand the issue. That's your problem, not ours.

Not at all. I don't worry about getting shot - even if I go to the roughest areas of a town like Glasgow.

[Svartalf]

It strikes me as supremely dumb to want more rather than fewer guns in the society one lives in.

That's because you don't understand the issue. That's your problem, not ours.

Not at all. I don't worry about getting shot - even if I go to the roughest areas of a town like Glasgow.

You only risk getting clubbed or knifed

[Seth]

Obviously the gun makers and their mega millions of dollars per annum for "public relations" were not around when the second amendment was first written.

You fail to understand the gun industry, which has always traded on reputation in the making of firearms that suit the needs of the consumer. If there were no gun manufacturer lobbyists around when the 2nd Amendment was written it's because there was no question in anyone's mind, including Congress', that manufacturing and selling guns is a lawful occupation and keeping and bearing arms a fundamental right. Those facts are, after all, a very large part of why the 2nd Amendment was written, and more importantly, why the United States came into existence in the first place. It was King George's attempts to infringe on the pre-existing right of the people to keep and bear arms that triggered the Revolutionary war...quite literally.

There was never any question in the minds of the people of the time that possessing a firearm, or other arms, was anything but a perfectly ordinary and unremarkable exercise of a God-given right. Even as colonists, under British rule, until the abuses of the British army became intolerable, there was no such thing as "gun control" even on the part of the Crown. Colonists enjoyed the Rights of Englishmen that constrained the power of the King to disarm them that was explicated hundreds of years before in the Magna Carta. This meant that they didn't have to ask permission of the King to arm themselves and domestically produced arms in the Colonies quickly exceeded the quality of arms provided even to the British Army. Some of the finest gun-makers on earth started in the Colonies and that tradition continues today.

Political lobbying against infringements on the right to keep and bear arms on the part of gun manufacturers began as a matter of necessity when hoplophobes began attempting to damage and destroy their right to manufacture firearms. And the strength of the "gun lobby" shows just how carefully and vigorously we intend to defend our rights.

But the USA is not the only country to have had such an idiotic policy. Britain had one and rescinded it when they realised what a disaster it was.

Yup. In 1924. That's when Brits became slaves and serfs to the Crown again, having thrown out the protections and rights they fought long and hard for that culminated in the Magna Carta. Sad, really, but screw the Brits, they get what they deserve, and I'm looking forward to watching the UK dissolve in a maelstrom of Islamic fundamentalist violence and death precisely because Brits are now incapable of defending themselves...just as they were when Hitler threatened them and they came begging to the United States to supply them with arms and equipment...including voluntarily donated private arms for the Home Guard...lest they get shoved in the ovens too.

This time y'all can enjoy your own petard ride because we aren't going to help you out. It's the only way you'll relearn the lesson that you learned eight hundred years ago. That, or you'll just die or become kuffar.

The USA has never rescinded their idiotic second amendment for the two reasons I gave. The government is corrupt, and the gun makers spend hundreds of millions each year, much on bribes including political bribes.

You lie, as usual.

[Rum]

It strikes me as supremely dumb to want more rather than fewer guns in the society one lives in.

That's because you don't understand the issue. That's your problem, not ours.

Not at all. I don't worry about getting shot - even if I go to the roughest areas of a town like Glasgow.

You only risk getting clubbed or knifed

Nah - not these days. Possibly a bit more than in my little city, but I would feel safe enough.

[Seth]

It strikes me as supremely dumb to want more rather than fewer guns in the society one lives in.

That's because you don't understand the issue. That's your problem, not ours.

Not at all. I don't worry about getting shot - even if I go to the roughest areas of a town like Glasgow.

You only risk getting clubbed or knifed

Indeed. What he risks is getting dead because he has allowed his government to make a vassal and a serf of him...again. But that's fine by me, he gets to do what he wants and die as he will as the wages of stupidity. But he doesn't get to impose that on anybody else, particularly not Americans.

[Svartalf]

Not at all. I don't worry about getting shot - even if I go to the roughest areas of a town like Glasgow.

You only risk getting clubbed or knifed

Nah - not these days. Possibly a bit more than in my little city, but I would feel safe enough.

<ell, maybe I should think about being at that glascoe meet they've been talking about recently then...

[Rum]

It strikes me as supremely dumb to want more rather than fewer guns in the society one lives in.

That's because you don't understand the issue. That's your problem, not ours.

Not at all. I don't worry about getting shot - even if I go to the roughest areas of a town like Glasgow.

You only risk getting clubbed or knifed

Indeed. What he risks is getting dead because he has allowed his government to make a vassal and a serf of him...again. But that's fine by me, he gets to do what he wants and die as he will as the wages of stupidity. But he doesn't get to impose that on anybody else, particularly not Americans.

You sound like such a ninny sometimes. A ranting ninny.