First fully 3D printed gun now exists

[MrJonno]

It's the product of a collectivist mindset that simply cannot comprehend the idea that in some cases, particularly where life and liberty are involved, the individual's rights always and in every circumstance outweigh the desires or needs of the collective.

There is a name for people who think individual desires are more important than society as a whole (no such thing as rights) and the term is criminal

[Faithfree]

Wouldn't it all show up in body scanner / x-ray units, anyway?
Metal or not, it would still be very risky to try to get it onto a plane, I think.

The current model looks like a gun, but it doesn't have to. The outer shape could be like a plastic doll, or whatever, if you wanted it to.

[Seth]

It's the product of a collectivist mindset that simply cannot comprehend the idea that in some cases, particularly where life and liberty are involved, the individual's rights always and in every circumstance outweigh the desires or needs of the collective.

There is a name for people who think individual desires are more important than society as a whole (no such thing as rights) and the term is criminal

There's a name for people who think that the interests of the collective always subsume the rights of the individual, and the term is "slaves."

[Seth]

Wouldn't it all show up in body scanner / x-ray units, anyway?
Metal or not, it would still be very risky to try to get it onto a plane, I think.

The current model looks like a gun, but it doesn't have to. The outer shape could be like a plastic doll, or whatever, if you wanted it to.

The detectable signature can be reduced basically to zero by using "caseless" ammunition (uses a plastic-molded propellant charge) and non-metallic ceramic projectiles. That would frustrate magnetometers, but both x-ray and backscatter scanners (which is essentially radar) combined with computers can detect both differences in object density and can automatically classify between flesh and hard objects currently exist. It just means that TSA will actually have to do its job...or not. These guns don't make it impossible to detect illegal weapos, they just make it much more difficult, which is one of the points the inventor is trying to make.

All the security theater we undergo now on the premise that airport metal detectors and pat downs are of any use against a determined terrorist who is willing to die to take down a plane are just intended to play to the credulous masses and increase the amount of government control of the population without increasing airline security much at all. TSA has never been, and will never be capable of detecting or stopping something as simple as an "ass bomb" (or vagina bomb in the case of women) because nobody's going to put up with body cavity checks just to fly to Scranton for the weekend.

TSA is bound up in technology when what it needs to be doing is what the Israelis do, which is racial/ethnic profiling combined with psychosocial profiling, observation and interrogation. Nobody's hijacked or blown up an Israeli airliner since they started doing that.

That being said, one of these plastic guns could easily be invisibly integrated into something as ubiquitous as a briefcase or baby carrier.

That being the case, the only possible check against a terrorist using a briefcase gun to hijack an aircraft is for the other passengers to be prepared and armed to subdue and/or kill anyone who tries to disrupt the flight. There are 200 of them versus one or two hijackers. So, what we should do is to issue a single-shot plastic handgun that fires frangible projectiles that are ineffective beyond about 6 feet to every adult passenger and all crew members before the flight takes off. That way, there will be 200 armed security guards on the aircraft who can take action to put down anyone who attempts to hijack the flight. They turn them in when they get off the plane and they are reissued to the next passengers boarding.

[Jason]

All the security theater we undergo now on the premise that airport metal detectors and pat downs are of any use against a determined terrorist who is willing to die to take down a plane are just intended to play to the credulous masses

Just like America's big showy war on terror.

Also, if it's down to body cavity bombs, women pose twice the threat of men.

[MrJonno]

That being the case, the only possible check against a terrorist using a briefcase gun to hijack an aircraft is for the other passengers to be prepared and armed to subdue and/or kill anyone who tries to disrupt the flight. There are 200 of them versus one or two hijackers. So, what we should do is to issue a single-shot plastic handgun that fires frangible projectiles that are ineffective beyond about 6 feet to every adult passenger and all crew members before the flight takes off. That way, there will be 200 armed security guards on the aircraft who can take action to put down anyone who attempts to hijack the flight. They turn them in when they get off the plane and they are reissued to the next passengers boarding.

Gets to that stage and civil aviation will just be banned

[Jason]

All passengers shall undergo mandatory cavity searches. Any clothes and luggage will be flown on a second plane. All passengers will be issued FAA approved smocks to wear after their cavity search which they will be required to don and immediately board the airplane through a secure checkpoint. Clothes and luggage will be returned at the destination. Stop overs will require all passengers to be cavity searched again and new smocks will be provided.

[Collector1337]

It's the product of a collectivist mindset that simply cannot comprehend the idea that in some cases, particularly where life and liberty are involved, the individual's rights always and in every circumstance outweigh the desires or needs of the collective.

There is a name for people who think individual desires are more important than society as a whole (no such thing as rights) and the term is criminal

Wow. What collectivist garbage.

Seth is absolutely correct. The individual owes NOTHING to society. He needs to sacrifice nothing "for the good of society."

I have found on both ratskep and this forum, that the atheists don't need religion, because they absolutely worship "society" like it's holier than thou.

No one is a "criminal" until they break laws, or by my Libertarian standard, are not a criminal until a victim has been created.

It's truly saddening to see how you've been brainwashed into your society worship.

Will you still be singing that tune when your precious society wants to you sacrifice your life or freedom, "for the good of society?" Most likely under the rouse of "for your safety."

[MrJonno]

Don't worship anything (especially 'rights') but even through you get bad societies and poisoned air you still need society and air to survive

[MrJonno]

Will you still be singing that tune when your precious society wants to you sacrifice your life or freedom, "for the good of society?" Most likely under the rouse of "for your safety."

If society wants me sacrificed I've made a mistake by staying in such a society for too long, time to find a better one

[Blind groper]

Seth really is not showing a lot of smarts.

Giving guns to everybody on a plane!!
I wonder if Seth actually considered the fact that, statistically, every plane load will have more than 1 person who is mentally ill. Now with a loaded gun. Yeah. Real smart!

[klr]

Seth really is not showing a lot of smarts.

Giving guns to everybody on a plane!!
I wonder if Seth actually considered the fact that, statistically, every plane load will have more than 1 person who is mentally ill. Now with a loaded gun. Yeah. Real smart!

Who'd want to be a stewardess when every passgenger was packing iron?



Fuck that, what sane person would want to be on that flight, full stop?

[JimC]

Seth wrote:

...So, what we should do is to issue a single-shot plastic handgun that fires frangible projectiles that are ineffective beyond about 6 feet to every adult passenger and all crew members before the flight takes off...

All it takes is a minor brain fade, or one "tired and emotional" passenger, and you would have a chain reaction of epic proportions...

Seth, the world isn't divided into criminal-terrorists vs steely-eyed good guys... You've been reading too many Tom Clancy novels...

[Collector1337]

Will you still be singing that tune when your precious society wants to you sacrifice your life or freedom, "for the good of society?" Most likely under the rouse of "for your safety."

If society wants me sacrificed I've made a mistake by staying in such a society for too long, time to find a better one

And you're going to wake up to that, when?

[Blind groper]

Seth, the world isn't divided into criminal-terrorists vs steely-eyed good guys... You've been reading too many Tom Clancy novels...

Nar, he has just been reading too much bullshit NRA propaganda.