Another shot at the case against gnus

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Armed, Out and About: Evolving Public-Carry Laws Expand Gun Rights Kristen Hwang and Kate Murphy

More Americans can carry guns in more places than ever before. In the majority of states, law-abiding gun owners can walk into bars, restaurants and churches with their guns without fear of legal ramifications.

A review by News 21 of public-carry laws – governing both concealed carry and open carry of firearms – shows that gun owners are now allowed to pack a gun in a public place in all 50 states.
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Gun owners like Lee Bird, owner of Twin Birds Saddlery in Wickenburg, Arizona, 60 miles northwest of Phoenix, say the removal of the restrictions has made his trusty .38-caliber Smith & Wesson Special revolver as much a part of his life as brushing his teeth.

“It’s a situation just like getting up in the morning and putting your shoes on or your boots on. For me it’s putting (my gun) onto my side,” said Bird. “People look at you, but I ignore it. I’m not carrying it for attention. I’m carrying it because I want people to know that if there is an incident somewhere, that I am there to defend myself or my family.

Public Records and Data: Guns in Public

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“It’s now just a sort of empirical social fact in most of this country that when you go to the shopping mall or the ballet or wherever, some of the people in the crowd of the few thousand around you, there’s going to be a percentage carrying guns,” said Dave Kopel, adjunct law professor at Denver University who specializes in Second Amendment law.

Full text at the link.

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California Gun Waiting Period Laws Ruled Unconstitutional August 25, 2014

Federal court decides 10-day waiting period laws violate Second Amendment rights

ROSEVILLE, CA (August 25, 2014) – California’s 10-day waiting period for gun purchases was ruled unconstitutional by a federal judge this morning in a significant victory for Second Amendment civil rights. The laws were challenged by California gun owners Jeffrey Silvester and Brandon Combs, as well as two gun rights groups, The Calguns Foundation and Second Amendment Foundation.

In the decision released this morning, Federal Eastern District of California Senior Judge Anthony W. Ishii, appointed to the bench by President Bill Clinton, found that “the 10-day waiting periods of Penal Code [sections 26815(a) and 27540(a)] violate the Second Amendment” as applied to members of certain classifications, like Silvester and Combs, and “burdens the Second Amendment rights of the Plaintiffs.”
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Under the court order, the California Department of Justice (DOJ) must change its systems to accommodate the unobstructed release of guns to gun buyers who pass a background check and possess a California license to carry a handgun, or who hold a “Certificate of Eligibility” issued by the DOJ and already possess at least one firearm known to the state.

Court decision can be read here: JEFF SILVESTER, et al., Plaintiffs v. KAMALA HARRIS, Attorney General of California, and DOES 1 to 20 CASE NO. 1:11-CV--2137 AWI SAB

[JimC]

Absolutely!

Let all the gibbering maniacs and weirdos have guns when they want them!

Instantly!

[Seth]

Absolutely!

Let all the gibbering maniacs and weirdos have guns when they want them!

Instantly!

Be great if you actually read the article, which states quite clearly that the 10 day waiting period does not apply to California residents who have CCW permits, gun owner's permits or who have previously legally purchased a firearm.

The waiting period is ostensibly to prevent "heat of passion" crimes (which it doesn't, but that's another story) by making people who suddenly evince an interest in getting a gun wait ten days to "cool off" so they don't do something rash. There is, as usual, zero evidence that this works, and quite a bit of evidence that it's a stupid idea (because when someone really needs a gun for self defense, 10 days is too long to wait).

So, if you have been through the appropriate background checks to get a permit, or you have an owner's license, or you already have a gun, we can presume that the 10 day waiting period serves no useful purpose whatsoever other than to, as the judge saw, obstruct the individual's right to keep and bear arms for no legitimate purpose.

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911 recording: Homeowner shoots intruder

...a west Phoenix woman, huddled in her bathroom, confronted and shot a man charged with breaking into her home. She was on the phone with 911 before, during, and after the shooting till officers arrived.
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The homeowner, a widow, told 12 News it was her late husband who taught her how to handle a .38-caliber handgun.

On the recording, we hear her tell the dispatcher the suspect "beat on her" before she fired.

Transcript and audio at the link.

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Defensive Gun Use of the Day: Blind Homeowner Shoots Intruder Who Cut Power Dean Weingarten August 27, 2014

Melchisedec Williams is 50 years old and legally blind. He has no sight in his right eye, and only minor vision in his left, because of Glaucoma. He took in his 15 year old nephew to try to help straighten the boy out after he got into trouble while living at his mother’s house, but the teen had disappeared a week earlier.

From theglobaldispatch.com:

Melchisedec Williams was woken up on Sunday night when he heard a crash and stomping. The 50-year-old man grabbed his gun, Tampa police said. The intruder, armed with only a knife, had cut the power to the man’s house and broken in through a bedroom window, police added.

After the lights went out and he heard the window crash, Melchisedec found his .38 revolver. He called out his nephew’s name, but got no response and could only see a shadowy figure with a flashlight approaching him. That’s when he fired, hitting the intruder in the leg. Melchisedec heard his nephew groan and stopped shooting.

[Tero]

I have forgotten to post a month's gun fails. Several deaths. Of course, they were 9/10 idiots so no big loss.

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California's handgun testing deconstructed deconstruct 09.07.14 article from 09.03.01

[Tero]

Gun violence costs taxpayers $500 million a year
http://money.cnn.com/2014/09/02/news/ec ... tml?iid=EL

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Gun violence costs taxpayers $500 million a year
http://money.cnn.com/2014/09/02/news/ec ... tml?iid=EL

Uh-huh, big whoop. Splash in the pan compared to the revenue the firearm industry generates and puts into the economy.

I'd like to see a breakdown of these costs.
I'd also like to see a breakdown of what other alleged "societal inconveniences" cost by way of comparison.

[Seth]

Gun violence costs taxpayers $500 million a year
http://money.cnn.com/2014/09/02/news/ec ... tml?iid=EL

"The consequences of gun violence are disproportionately concentrated among male youth, specifically young black males," said the study. "Firearm-assault injuries impose a tremendous burden on some of America's most vulnerable youth, the health care system and the American public."

The study concluded "that significant public resources could be saved or redirected if effective gun-violence prevention strategies could be identified."

Um, lock up gang-banging young black males and the problem pretty much vanishes overnight. Might have to throw some Hispanic and Caucasian gang-bangers in there too, which promises a Kilkenny Cats solution to the ongoing problem.

Typical misdirection, logical fallacy and non-sequitur of anti-gun zealots who wish to try to impose the responsibility for gun violence committed by "some of America's most vulnerable youth" on "some of America's most vulnerable youth" on the existence of guns rather than on the existence of "vulnerable youth" who like to shoot one another.

You want to send the bill to someone, send it to the Crips, Bloods and MS13. I ain't paying it.

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Charges dismissed for gun rights advocate 08.28.14

NASHVILLE, Tenn. – A Nashville judge has dismissed charges against a man who walked around downtown last year wearing a bullet-proof vest and carrying an assault rifle with a silencer.
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The recent charges stem from a July 29, 2013, incident where Embody was arrested after he refused to answer questions from police. Officers also confiscated his AR-15, which was in a case made of moldable plastic that exactly fit the outline of the weapon with a magazine and silencer attached. Once the case was opened, police found the weapon was unloaded and there was no magazine, but there was a silencer.

On Thursday, Judge Randall Wyatt ordered that the rifle, case and silencer be returned to Embody. The order came two days after a ruling in which Wyatt admonished Embody for his conduct but found he had not violated state law.