What did this family not have that it needed?

[Blind groper]

The NEJM study has been 'debunked' by the NRA and its stooges. Give you one guess how much validity that debunking has!

One of tye interesting tings about the NEJM study is that they also looked at the security measures taken around that gun, and found that the more secure the storage of the gun, the lower the odds of an extra gun death.

[AvtomatKalashnikova]

The NEJM study has been 'debunked' by the NRA and its stooges. Give you one guess how much validity that debunking has!

One of tye interesting tings about the NEJM study is that they also looked at the security measures taken around that gun, and found that the more secure the storage of the gun, the lower the odds of an extra gun death.

Da, is different thing you say now. First you say gun is double murders, now you say gun + stupid man not know gun safety = double murders. Is no secret stupid is dangerous. Stupid is danger if only have hair dryer and bath tub!

[Blind groper]

Avro

In spite of the faux Russian, that is one of the smartest things said on this thread. I totally agree. The most dangerous thing in this world is stupidity. If everyone was 100% smart, then we could give a heavy calibre machine gun to everyone, and no one would get hurt. The Swiss show this principle well, with lots of guns and few murders, because the Swiss are not that stupid. Mind you, the large number of guns there do lead to a very high suicide rate, so all is not well, even in enlightened Switzerland.

The problem is that, out of any group of people, there will always be a bunch who are just plain stoooooopid!! This means that the American second amendment and the subsequent freedom to own guns leads to multiple tragedies, and 1 in 50 Americans receiving a bullet through some part of their anatomy some time during their lifetime.

[Collector1337]

I think my Glock 19 9mm alternating every other with CorBon and Winchester PDX1 +Ps in the magazine.

Don't worry, I'd give him a chance to surrender first.

[Brian Peacock]

Some years ago when I lived in that London I was awoken by the sound of breaking glass from downstairs. In some kind of adrenaline fugue I (quite litetally) leapt out of bed, sprinted through the bedroom door, and after (almost miraculously) taking the stairs four at a time hurtled into the kitchen to find a scrawny scaghead halfway through the bottom half of the sash window.

There's nothing more certain to disenchant the would-be burglar than seeing an irate and naked skinny white guy charging at you with a raging nocturnal erection.

[JimC]

Some years ago when I lived in that London I was awoken by the sound of breaking glass from downstairs. In some kind of adrenaline fugue I (quite litetally) leapt out of bed, sprinted through the bedroom door, and after (almost miraculously) taking the stairs four at a time hurtled into the kitchen to find a scrawny scaghead halfway through the bottom half of the sash window.

There's nothing more certain to disenchant the would-be burglar than seeing an irate and naked skinny white guy charging at you with a raging nocturnal erection.

Especially if you screamed "Aaahhh! Fresh meat!"

[Brian Peacock]

[Sean Hayden]

[piscator]

Laughter is about a Brit's only option in that situation, so try to stay in everyone's good graces.

[Seth]

Meanwhile, I just read a news story in which a fellow went out and picked up breakfast for his wife. He was going to give her a nice breakfast in bed. Only she thought he was a burglar and pulled a Pistorius and shot him through the closed door as he approached the bedroom. She got him in the chest. He's recovering, I think. No word on what happened to the breakfast.

Wouldn't have happened with a smartphone instead of a gun.

Or "Hi honey, I'm home! I brought you breakfast!"

All my friends know enough to knock and announce and await response in my house because I've told them that if they don't, they're likely to get shot.

Out on the ranch one day my ranch hand friend Chris decided to pot some prairie dogs that presented targets of opportunity. He snuck around the corner of my house and used it for a rest...right below my bedroom window. He heard a sound and looked up to find my 12ga. shotgun pointed directly at his head out the window. I told him, "please don't do that again..."

If you're going to keep a gun for self defense in the home, planning, training and coordination with other family members is absolutely required. Otherwise things like this happen.

[Seth]

The answer is a gun of course. Or preferably lots of guns.

In most cases, one gun per qualified resident is sufficient. You should probably have more than one strategically stashed in secure locations where you might have to retreat to in the event of a home invasion.

Nothing would make people safer that lots of guns around the place, loaded and cocked and ready to fire.

Well, actually, you don't need to keep them cocked and ready to fire, just loaded, with one up the spout and the safety on, stored in a secure quick-access handgun safe or even rifle holder (they make some really nice ones for holding AR type rifles and shotguns that release quickly when the code is input). Unloaded guns are, of course, pretty useless except perhaps as clubs.

It's ludicrous to point to instances of accidental shootings, or shootings due to temporary rage.

Given the relatively small number of such incidents as compared to the number of armed households in America, you're fairly correct. It's not unreasonable however to use such examples of improper gun handling as cautionary tales and training aids for those contemplating keeping a defensive firearm in the home.

That's making the fundamental mistake of going by real life imaginary and blown-out-of-proportion examples.

The reality of gun ownership is best illustrated by Clint Eastwood fantasy films, and John Wayne garbage. Neither Clint nor big John ever killed anyone who didn't need killing. Case proved.

Well, this is just silly.

To go by real life is just silly. Even Wild Bill Haycock, the grandaddy of all main street gun-slinging duellists, killed his best friend, a deputy marshall, who came running to his aid. But that was real life, so how could that prove anything?

That's Hickok dumbass. And it's never a good idea to run up behind someone who is engaged in a street shootout with a criminal without at least announcing yourself. In such situations, to hesitate is to lose, and in Wild Bill's case, the person running up behind him was much more likely to be an enemy than a friend. Bad tactics is its own reward I'm afraid.

To go by real life gives a totally false impression of what is likely to happen.

Not really. The problem is you're mistaking fantasy for reality.

Clint would never have shot the wrong person. Even though he hardly even looked where he was shooting.
So just pack the house with guns, and watch lots of Eastwood and John Wayne on the telly. You know it makes sense.

Or, act like an adult and free man and learn how and when to use your gun, like 200 million Americans do.

[Seth]

Or maybe a Dildo would have been enough to satisfy the intruder. Then, on the other hand, you can use guns as dildos.

Not so good if bayonet affixed...

Depends on sexual proclivities of partner...

[Seth]

The NEJM study has been 'debunked' by the NRA and its stooges.

Yup. Authoritatively too. Also by a bunch of other credible scholars and researchers.

Give you one guess how much validity that debunking has!

One hundred percent validity, as it happens.

One of tye interesting tings about the NEJM study is that they also looked at the security measures taken around that gun, and found that the more secure the storage of the gun, the lower the odds of an extra gun death.

Well, that ain't rocket science. The best thing is to securely store firearms while still having quick access to self-defense weapons by authorized persons in case of emergency. This is easily accomplished by using any of a large number of quick-access handgun, rifle and shotgun storage devices.

[Seth]

The NEJM study has been 'debunked' by the NRA and its stooges. Give you one guess how much validity that debunking has!

One of tye interesting tings about the NEJM study is that they also looked at the security measures taken around that gun, and found that the more secure the storage of the gun, the lower the odds of an extra gun death.

Da, is different thing you say now. First you say gun is double murders, now you say gun + stupid man not know gun safety = double murders. Is no secret stupid is dangerous. Stupid is danger if only have hair dryer and bath tub!

Well put, comrade!

[Seth]

Avro

In spite of the faux Russian, that is one of the smartest things said on this thread. I totally agree. The most dangerous thing in this world is stupidity. If everyone was 100% smart, then we could give a heavy calibre machine gun to everyone, and no one would get hurt. The Swiss show this principle well, with lots of guns and few murders, because the Swiss are not that stupid. Mind you, the large number of guns there do lead to a very high suicide rate, so all is not well, even in enlightened Switzerland.

The problem is that, out of any group of people, there will always be a bunch who are just plain stoooooopid!! This means that the American second amendment and the subsequent freedom to own guns leads to multiple tragedies, and 1 in 50 Americans receiving a bullet through some part of their anatomy some time during their lifetime.

Yet another bullshit factoid manufactured the anti-gun zealots.

In truth, only a very small number of Americans get shot in any given year, and most of them belong to a clearly identifiable group: urban gang-bangers.