Guns used for lawful self-defense Pt. 5

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Re: Guns used for lawful self-defense Pt. 5

Post by Blind groper » Thu Jun 13, 2013 4:41 am

Collector1337 wrote:my culture is better than yours."

That's not "debating."
Actually, Collector, if you have been reading and remembering, you will note that I have said a great deal more than that, and posted a hell of a lot of hard evidence to support my case.

As far as your culture is concerned, it has some great and wonderful attributes, and some that are not so great. I am an admirer of American science and technology, and I am grateful for the money spent on such developments. That includes the space program, which I follow avidly. I enjoy thoroughly the outpourings of Hollywood. I love the developments American researchers contribute to the field of medicine. I also know many Americans, most of whom are lovely people.

However, I can also point to the black side of US culture, and I do. If that offends you, tough.

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Post by Seth » Thu Jun 13, 2013 4:59 am

Collector1337 wrote:
Rum wrote:
Collector1337 wrote:
Blind groper wrote:Violence at 0.98% of all deaths is a good mark of a long term trend. Deaths from violence have been dropping for a long time. The USA is lagging behind other western nations, but is slowly improving. It will not catch up with more advanced and more civilised western nations, of course, until it reigns in the crazy gun culture.
This is the definition of ethnocentrism. You are a fucking bigot.

FUCKING STOP IT!
Just look at your avatar. :funny:
Being proud and being a bigot are not the same things.
He's just trolling you. Don't give him the satisfaction. We know what he is, and that's good enough.
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Post by Seth » Thu Jun 13, 2013 6:05 am

Another grandma proves Samuel Colt's aphorism about the handgun being the "Great Equalizer":
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‘Back Up You Son of a B**ch!’: Thug With a Rap Sheet Targets 72-Year-Old Grandmother…Who Happens to Pack a .357 Magnum
Jun. 12, 2013 5:00am Jason Howerton

STANTON, Calif. (TheBlaze/AP) — A 72-year-old Southern California grandmother who shot at – and narrowly missed – a man trying to break into her home said Tuesday she was shocked at the attention her action was getting but does not regret defending herself and her husband, an 85-year-old World War II veteran who uses a wheelchair.

Jan Cooper, of Anaheim, fired just one shot from her .357 Magnum Smith & Wesson revolver around 12:30 a.m. Sunday as a man attempted to break into her home. During a 911 call during the incident, Cooper can be heard begging with the dispatcher to send deputies and warns that she has a gun at the ready as her Rottweiler barks furiously in the background.
Grandmother, 72, Jan Cooper Shoots at Suspected Burglar With .357 Magnum

Jan Cooper, 72, talks to the media as her husband Bob, 85, left, and OC Sheriff’s spokesman Jim Amormino listen during a news conference at the Sheriff’s Department station in Stanton on Tuesday, June 11, 2013. Credit: AP
Grandmother, 72, Jan Cooper Shoots at Suspected Burglar With .357 Magnum

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Minutes later, a breathless Cooper says the man has come to the back porch and is trying to get in the house through a sliding door. Through the vertical blinds, Cooper saw his silhouette just inches away through the glass as he began to slide open the door.

“I’m firing!” Cooper shouts to the dispatcher as a loud bang goes off.

Cooper then curses at the suspect, “Back up, you son of a b**ch! Get out of here! Get the hell out of here! Get your butt out now!”

“You’d better get the police here. I don’t know whether I hit him or not. I’m not sure. He’s standing at my door, my back door. He’s in my yard,” she said.

The suspect, 31-year-old Brandon Alexander Perez, was not hit and was arrested a short while later by responding deputies, who heard the gunshot, said Jim Amormino, spokesman for the Orange County Sheriff’s Department.

Perez has pleaded not guilty to a burglary charge and has a court date later this month. The Associated Press was unable to leave an after-hours message for his attorney.

Perez had a rap sheet that included other burglary and narcotics charges and was on parole and staying at a halfway house not far from the Coopers’ address, Amormino said.
Grandmother, 72, Jan Cooper Shoots at Suspected Burglar With .357 Magnum

This undated photo provided by the Orange County Sheriff shows Brandon Alexander Perez, the suspect in an attempted home invasion on Sunday, June 9, 2013, at the home of Bob and Jan Cooper in Anaheim, Calif. Jan Cooper, a 72-year-old grandmother, shot at _ and narrowly missed _ Perez, who was allegedly trying to break into her home. Credit: AP

Cooper’s gun, which she has owned for about 20 years, was legally purchased and properly registered, he said.

“Even though that dog was barking, he still was desperate to get in. So who knows what may have happened if she didn’t fire that round,” Amormino said.

On Tuesday, Cooper was soft-spoken and composed, with her gray hair pulled back neatly in a hairband and her husband at her side during a news conference at a sheriff’s substation.

Cooper said she is amazed by the anger in her voice – and the curse word she let fly – after she fired the shot.

“I am a Christian woman and I’m very proud of it and I don’t curse, but after I shot, rage took hold and I just blasted away,” she said. “And, in fact, afterwards my husband said, `I’ve never heard you talk like that!’”

The stunned intruder apologized to Cooper after she fired, she recalled, telling her, “I’m sorry, ma’am. I’m leaving. Please don’t shoot.”

The grandmother of a 15-year-old grandson said she doesn’t regret firing her weapon, although she has considered how she would have reacted if she had hit or killed the man. Deputies have told her that, based on his height and the bullet hole, the shot that she fired through a narrow gap in the sliding door passed within inches of his left cheek.

“I don’t mean to shoot anybody,” said Cooper, a self-described tomboy who has also tried archery and knife-throwing and has owned guns since her teens. “But whatever’s necessary to literally stop them – he was not going to come into my home.”

Her husband, Bob Cooper, chuckled when asked if his wife had learned her aggression from him and his military service. Cooper worked gathering intelligence in Italy and France in the buildup to D-Day and spent years going to the shooting range with his wife after the war, he said.

“I’m not surprised at all, not one bit,” he said. “I know her capabilities and what she can do if she has to.”
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Re: Guns used for lawful self-defense Pt. 5

Post by JimC » Thu Jun 13, 2013 8:52 am

Collector, this post is a personal attack on another member: http://www.rationalia.com/forum/viewtop ... 5#p1447825

Given your recent reminder, this is a formal warning that a further personal attack will result in a suspension from the forum.
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Post by Collector1337 » Thu Jun 13, 2013 9:11 am

JimC wrote:Collector, this post is a personal attack on another member: http://www.rationalia.com/forum/viewtop ... 5#p1447825

Given your recent reminder, this is a formal warning that a further personal attack will result in a suspension from the forum.
So, bigotry allowed. Calling out bigotry not allowed. Makes total sense.
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Post by FBM » Thu Jun 13, 2013 9:52 am

For good or ill, looks like it will be legal to openly carry with or without a permit in MS from July 1. Permit required only if you're going to conceal the weapon:

http://www.msnewsnow.com/story/22575164 ... -2-seminar
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Post by Seth » Thu Jun 13, 2013 8:50 pm

FBM wrote:For good or ill, looks like it will be legal to openly carry with or without a permit in MS from July 1. Permit required only if you're going to conceal the weapon:

http://www.msnewsnow.com/story/22575164 ... -2-seminar
Go Mississippi! Another state acknowledges the rights of its citizens. It's been legal here in Colorado since 1876 and interestingly we haven't had a rash of street gunfights between law-abiding citizens...ever.
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Post by Seth » Thu Jun 13, 2013 8:52 pm

Collector1337 wrote:
JimC wrote:Collector, this post is a personal attack on another member: http://www.rationalia.com/forum/viewtop ... 5#p1447825

Given your recent reminder, this is a formal warning that a further personal attack will result in a suspension from the forum.
So, bigotry allowed. Calling out bigotry not allowed. Makes total sense.
Here's some advice: you can call it out, just don't use the words "you are." You can still excoriate someone's opinion without directly attacking them, which is hard sometimes, but it can be done.
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Post by FBM » Thu Jun 13, 2013 10:49 pm

Seth wrote:
FBM wrote:For good or ill, looks like it will be legal to openly carry with or without a permit in MS from July 1. Permit required only if you're going to conceal the weapon:

http://www.msnewsnow.com/story/22575164 ... -2-seminar
Go Mississippi! Another state acknowledges the rights of its citizens. It's been legal here in Colorado since 1876 and interestingly we haven't had a rash of street gunfights between law-abiding citizens...ever.
A few decades ago when I still lived there, I was target shooting with a .44 cap-and-ball and on the way home I had to stop at City Hall to do something or other. I took a chance and didn't take off the holster before going in. I walked right by sheriffs deputies and city cops with the .44 on my hip, did the paperwork I had to and walked out. Nobody ever gave me a second look.
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Post by Blind groper » Thu Jun 13, 2013 11:45 pm

To Jim

I do not mind when Collector or Seth revert to insults. It makes them look bad, not me. Not only that, but it is a clear indication that they are losing the argument. I think most of the readers of this forum are well aware of that fact, and will judge accordingly.

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Post by JimC » Thu Jun 13, 2013 11:52 pm

Blind groper wrote:To Jim

I do not mind when Collector or Seth revert to insults. It makes them look bad, not me. Not only that, but it is a clear indication that they are losing the argument. I think most of the readers of this forum are well aware of that fact, and will judge accordingly.
Fair enough, but it's simply a mod process that we go through. A blue post is impersonal - it's not from me, it's a message from the mods, collectively, after consensus has been reached...
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FBM wrote:
Seth wrote:
FBM wrote:For good or ill, looks like it will be legal to openly carry with or without a permit in MS from July 1. Permit required only if you're going to conceal the weapon:

http://www.msnewsnow.com/story/22575164 ... -2-seminar
Go Mississippi! Another state acknowledges the rights of its citizens. It's been legal here in Colorado since 1876 and interestingly we haven't had a rash of street gunfights between law-abiding citizens...ever.
A few decades ago when I still lived there, I was target shooting with a .44 cap-and-ball and on the way home I had to stop at City Hall to do something or other. I took a chance and didn't take off the holster before going in. I walked right by sheriffs deputies and city cops with the .44 on my hip, did the paperwork I had to and walked out. Nobody ever gave me a second look.
That's how civilized societies do it. Guy in the diner I frequent was wearing a Beretta openly just this afternoon. The owner, being a former Marine, doesn't mind at all. And the girls like it when I hang around till closing because they know I'm armed.
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Post by JacksSmirkingRevenge » Fri Jun 14, 2013 1:52 am

A black powder revolver in a holster would suit me down to the ground...I've got the bow legs and everything to pull the look off. :smoke:
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Post by Seth » Fri Jun 14, 2013 2:07 am

JacksSmirkingRevenge wrote:A black powder revolver in a holster would suit me down to the ground...I've got the bow legs and everything to pull the look off. :smoke:
Besides, even if the charge fails to go off, which happens, those old Navy revolvers are big enough to whup somebody to death with...
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Post by JacksSmirkingRevenge » Fri Jun 14, 2013 2:23 am

Seth wrote:
JacksSmirkingRevenge wrote:A black powder revolver in a holster would suit me down to the ground...I've got the bow legs and everything to pull the look off. :smoke:
Besides, even if the charge fails to go off, which happens, those old Navy revolvers are big enough to whup somebody to death with...
Fuck that...just fan the thing à la Bob Munden. :hehe:


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