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Where does it begin?

Post by Deep Sea Isopod » Sun Nov 29, 2009 4:46 pm

History?
At what point does prehistory end and history begin? :ask: :think: :what:
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Post by Animavore » Sun Nov 29, 2009 4:47 pm

Pre-history is the period right before any written records.
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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Sun Nov 29, 2009 4:48 pm

Deep Sea Isopod wrote:History?
At what point does prehistory end and history begin? :ask: :think: :what:
Generally accepted line is written records. Prehistory was not recorded.
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Post by Deep Sea Isopod » Sun Nov 29, 2009 5:20 pm

So when does the written records begin?
And do Cave paintings or hieroglyphs counts as written records?
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Post by Animavore » Sun Nov 29, 2009 5:22 pm

Deep Sea Isopod wrote:So when does the written records begin?
And do Cave paintings or hieroglyphs counts as written records?
Hieroglyphs are. Not sure about cave painting. They usually are just pictures of animals and not actual accounts of people at the time.
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Post by klr » Sun Nov 29, 2009 5:27 pm

Animavore wrote:
Deep Sea Isopod wrote:So when does the written records begin?
And do Cave paintings or hieroglyphs counts as written records?
Hieroglyphs are. Not sure about cave painting. They usually are just pictures of animals and not actual accounts of people at the time.
Some cultural relativist is going to crawl out of the woodwork and tell us otherwise. :levi:
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Animavore wrote:
Deep Sea Isopod wrote:So when does the written records begin?
And do Cave paintings or hieroglyphs counts as written records?
Hieroglyphs are. Not sure about cave painting. They usually are just pictures of animals and not actual accounts of people at the time.
If you can sound it out to make sentences, it's a written language. Ideograms and pictograms counts. Painting of critters don't.
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Post by Animavore » Sun Nov 29, 2009 5:56 pm

The only thing a picture of a critter might tell you is what they hunted.
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To be pedantic ..if history is the study of the past then pre-history must be ......well .. pre big bang :ask:
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wolfréalt wrote:To be pedantic ..if history is the study of the past then pre-history must be ......well .. pre big bang :ask:
Whoa! Far too deep for a Sunday evening. :nono:
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klr wrote:
wolfréalt wrote:To be pedantic ..if history is the study of the past then pre-history must be ......well .. pre big bang :ask:
Whoa! Far too deep for a Sunday evening. :nono:
History is the recorded stories of mankind. Simple and to the point.
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Post by Animavore » Sun Nov 29, 2009 6:07 pm

Gawdzilla wrote:
klr wrote:
wolfréalt wrote:To be pedantic ..if history is the study of the past then pre-history must be ......well .. pre big bang :ask:
Whoa! Far too deep for a Sunday evening. :nono:
History is the recorded stories of mankind. Simple and to the point.
I'll just throw this can of worms in here and see what happens.
his·to·ry (hst-r)
n. pl. his·to·ries
1.
a. A usually chronological record of events, as of the life or development of a people or institution, often including an explanation of or commentary on those events: a history of the Vikings.
b. A formal written account of related natural phenomena: a history of volcanoes.
c. A record of a patient's medical background.
d. An established record or pattern of behavior: an inmate with a history of substance abuse.
2. The branch of knowledge that records and analyzes past events: "History has a long-range perspective" (Elizabeth Gurley Flynn).
3.
a. The past events relating to a particular thing: The history of their rivalry is full of intrigue.
b. The aggregate of past events or human affairs: basic tools used throughout history.
c. An interesting past: a house with history.
d. Something that belongs to the past: Their troubles are history now.
e. Slang One that is no longer worth consideration: Why should we worry about him? He's history!
4. A drama based on historical events: the histories of Shakespeare.
Pay particular attention to 1b.
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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Sun Nov 29, 2009 6:15 pm

Animavore wrote:[
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b. A formal written account of related natural phenomena: a history of volcanoes.

Pay particular attention to 1b.
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Gawdzilla wrote:
Animavore wrote:[
1.
b. A formal written account of related natural phenomena: a history of volcanoes.

Pay particular attention to 1b.
Good by me.
But contradicts this
Gawdzilla wrote: History is the recorded stories of mankind. Simple and to the point.
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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Sun Nov 29, 2009 6:20 pm

Animavore wrote:
Gawdzilla wrote:
Animavore wrote:[
1.
b. A formal written account of related natural phenomena: a history of volcanoes.

Pay particular attention to 1b.
Good by me.
But contradicts this
Gawdzilla wrote: History is the recorded stories of mankind. Simple and to the point.
Not tricky. Men write history. (They even let women do it now.) Technical histories like the sequencing of volcanic eruptions are simple collections of datum points in a coherent order. Politeness allows the use of the term "history", but then I've never been bend-over-backwards about politeness.
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