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Civilians shouldn't do recon.

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Thu Oct 22, 2009 8:08 pm

In this connection, it should be remembered that no adequate maps or photographs were in the possession of the Division! "Grassy Knoll" had been designated the objective on the strength of its description by a former resident as a commanding terrain feature of unmistakable appearance which dominated the entire area of Lunga Point and the airfield. As such, it represented the key terrain feature of the area, but in actual practice, it proved to be too large and too removed in point of distance to be of controlling importance from the point of view of the relatively small forces engaged.
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Re: Civilians shouldn't do recon.

Post by Don't Panic » Thu Oct 22, 2009 8:10 pm

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In this connection, it should be remembered that no adequate maps or photographs were in the possession of the Division! "Grassy Knoll" had been designated the objective on the strength of its description by a former resident as a commanding terrain feature of unmistakable appearance which dominated the entire area of Lunga Point and the airfield. As such, it represented the key terrain feature of the area, but in actual practice, it proved to be too large and too removed in point of distance to be of controlling importance from the point of view of the relatively small forces engaged.
How far away was the mountain?
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And those Zumwalts are already useless, they can be taken out with an ICBM.
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Re: Civilians shouldn't do recon.

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Thu Oct 22, 2009 8:11 pm

DP wrote:
Gawdzilla wrote:
In this connection, it should be remembered that no adequate maps or photographs were in the possession of the Division! "Grassy Knoll" had been designated the objective on the strength of its description by a former resident as a commanding terrain feature of unmistakable appearance which dominated the entire area of Lunga Point and the airfield. As such, it represented the key terrain feature of the area, but in actual practice, it proved to be too large and too removed in point of distance to be of controlling importance from the point of view of the relatively small forces engaged.
How far away was the mountain?
Out of arty range.
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Re: Civilians shouldn't do recon.

Post by Don't Panic » Thu Oct 22, 2009 8:17 pm

Gawdzilla wrote:
DP wrote:
Gawdzilla wrote:
In this connection, it should be remembered that no adequate maps or photographs were in the possession of the Division! "Grassy Knoll" had been designated the objective on the strength of its description by a former resident as a commanding terrain feature of unmistakable appearance which dominated the entire area of Lunga Point and the airfield. As such, it represented the key terrain feature of the area, but in actual practice, it proved to be too large and too removed in point of distance to be of controlling importance from the point of view of the relatively small forces engaged.
How far away was the mountain?
Out of arty range.
30-40 miles?
Gawd wrote:»
And those Zumwalts are already useless, they can be taken out with an ICBM.
The world is a thing of utter inordinate complexity and richness and strangeness that is absolutely awesome. I mean the idea that such complexity can arise not only out of such simplicity, but probably absolutely out of nothing, is the most fabulous extraordinary idea. And once you get some kind of inkling of how that might have happened, it's just wonderful. And . . . the opportunity to spend 70 or 80 years of your life in such a universe is time well spent as far as I am concerned.
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Re: Civilians shouldn't do recon.

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Thu Oct 22, 2009 8:19 pm

DP wrote:
Gawdzilla wrote:
DP wrote:
Gawdzilla wrote:
In this connection, it should be remembered that no adequate maps or photographs were in the possession of the Division! "Grassy Knoll" had been designated the objective on the strength of its description by a former resident as a commanding terrain feature of unmistakable appearance which dominated the entire area of Lunga Point and the airfield. As such, it represented the key terrain feature of the area, but in actual practice, it proved to be too large and too removed in point of distance to be of controlling importance from the point of view of the relatively small forces engaged.
How far away was the mountain?
Out of arty range.
30-40 miles?
1st hadn't landed anything bigger than 75s at that point. Effective/accurate range was 3-4 miles for those, IIRC. Anyway, it wasn't what they'd hoped it would be from the reports the planter had given them. He probably zipped over to the hill in his '32 Bentley with nobody shooting at him. Civilians don't think about the complications of combat.
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Re: Civilians shouldn't do recon.

Post by Don't Panic » Thu Oct 22, 2009 8:22 pm

Gawdzilla wrote:
DP wrote:
Gawdzilla wrote:
DP wrote:
Gawdzilla wrote:In this connection, it should be remembered that no adequate maps or photographs were in the possession of the Division! "Grassy Knoll" had been designated the objective on the strength of its description by a former resident as a commanding terrain feature of unmistakable appearance which dominated the entire area of Lunga Point and the airfield. As such, it represented the key terrain feature of the area, but in actual practice, it proved to be too large and too removed in point of distance to be of controlling importance from the point of view of the relatively small forces engaged.
How far away was the mountain?
Out of arty range.
30-40 miles?
1st hadn't landed anything bigger than 75s at that point. Effective/accurate range was 3-4 miles for those, IIRC. Anyway, it wasn't what they'd hoped it would be from the reports the planter had given them. He probably zipped over to the hill in his '32 Bentley with nobody shooting at him. Civilians don't think about the complications of combat.
Like minefields, machine gun nests, pill boxes, tanks, barbed wire, whorehouses, enemy soldiers, air strikes, that sort of thing?
Gawd wrote:»
And those Zumwalts are already useless, they can be taken out with an ICBM.
The world is a thing of utter inordinate complexity and richness and strangeness that is absolutely awesome. I mean the idea that such complexity can arise not only out of such simplicity, but probably absolutely out of nothing, is the most fabulous extraordinary idea. And once you get some kind of inkling of how that might have happened, it's just wonderful. And . . . the opportunity to spend 70 or 80 years of your life in such a universe is time well spent as far as I am concerned.
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Re: Civilians shouldn't do recon.

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Thu Oct 22, 2009 8:24 pm

DP wrote:Like minefields, machine gun nests, pill boxes, tanks, barbed wire, whorehouses, enemy soldiers, air strikes, that sort of thing?
A few thousand sons of Nippon in the tree line.
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Post by Don't Panic » Thu Oct 22, 2009 8:25 pm

Gawdzilla wrote:
DP wrote:Like minefields, machine gun nests, pill boxes, tanks, barbed wire, whorehouses, enemy soldiers, air strikes, that sort of thing?
A few thousand sons of Nippon in the tree line.
Napalm.




Jus' sayin' :dono:
Gawd wrote:»
And those Zumwalts are already useless, they can be taken out with an ICBM.
The world is a thing of utter inordinate complexity and richness and strangeness that is absolutely awesome. I mean the idea that such complexity can arise not only out of such simplicity, but probably absolutely out of nothing, is the most fabulous extraordinary idea. And once you get some kind of inkling of how that might have happened, it's just wonderful. And . . . the opportunity to spend 70 or 80 years of your life in such a universe is time well spent as far as I am concerned.
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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Thu Oct 22, 2009 8:26 pm

DP wrote:
Gawdzilla wrote:
DP wrote:Like minefields, machine gun nests, pill boxes, tanks, barbed wire, whorehouses, enemy soldiers, air strikes, that sort of thing?
A few thousand sons of Nippon in the tree line.
Napalm.
Jus' sayin' :dono:
The problem with area weapons is you need to know which area they should be applied to.
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Re: Civilians shouldn't do recon.

Post by Don't Panic » Thu Oct 22, 2009 8:30 pm

Gawdzilla wrote:
DP wrote:
Gawdzilla wrote:
DP wrote:Like minefields, machine gun nests, pill boxes, tanks, barbed wire, whorehouses, enemy soldiers, air strikes, that sort of thing?
A few thousand sons of Nippon in the tree line.
Napalm.
Jus' sayin' :dono:
The problem with area weapons is you need to know which area they should be applied to.
Apply liberally prior to landing.

Or did they have any of those tanks converted to flamethrowers? If your enemy insists in hiding in a giant tinderbox he should be shown why that is a bad idea extremely quickly.
Gawd wrote:»
And those Zumwalts are already useless, they can be taken out with an ICBM.
The world is a thing of utter inordinate complexity and richness and strangeness that is absolutely awesome. I mean the idea that such complexity can arise not only out of such simplicity, but probably absolutely out of nothing, is the most fabulous extraordinary idea. And once you get some kind of inkling of how that might have happened, it's just wonderful. And . . . the opportunity to spend 70 or 80 years of your life in such a universe is time well spent as far as I am concerned.
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Re: Civilians shouldn't do recon.

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Thu Oct 22, 2009 8:34 pm

DP wrote:
Gawdzilla wrote:
DP wrote:
Gawdzilla wrote:
DP wrote:Like minefields, machine gun nests, pill boxes, tanks, barbed wire, whorehouses, enemy soldiers, air strikes, that sort of thing?
A few thousand sons of Nippon in the tree line.
Napalm.
Jus' sayin' :dono:
The problem with area weapons is you need to know which area they should be applied to.
Apply liberally prior to landing.

Or did they have any of those tanks converted to flamethrowers? If your enemy insists in hiding in a giant tinderbox he should be shown why that is a bad idea extremely quickly.
Remember, this is August, 1942. And you can't burn the whole island down. Makes the fuzzy wuzzies nervous.
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Re: Civilians shouldn't do recon.

Post by Don't Panic » Thu Oct 22, 2009 8:36 pm

Gawdzilla wrote:
DP wrote:
Gawdzilla wrote:
DP wrote:
Gawdzilla wrote: A few thousand sons of Nippon in the tree line.
Napalm.
Jus' sayin' :dono:
The problem with area weapons is you need to know which area they should be applied to.
Apply liberally prior to landing.

Or did they have any of those tanks converted to flamethrowers? If your enemy insists in hiding in a giant tinderbox he should be shown why that is a bad idea extremely quickly.
Remember, this is August, 1942. And you can't burn the whole island down. Makes the fuzzy wuzzies nervous.
Pshaw! Claim it was an accident.
Gawd wrote:»
And those Zumwalts are already useless, they can be taken out with an ICBM.
The world is a thing of utter inordinate complexity and richness and strangeness that is absolutely awesome. I mean the idea that such complexity can arise not only out of such simplicity, but probably absolutely out of nothing, is the most fabulous extraordinary idea. And once you get some kind of inkling of how that might have happened, it's just wonderful. And . . . the opportunity to spend 70 or 80 years of your life in such a universe is time well spent as far as I am concerned.
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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Thu Oct 22, 2009 8:38 pm

DP wrote:Pshaw! Claim it was an accident.
We were short on SBDs at time. And short on BVDs. And MREs. Everything except Japanese in point of fact.
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Post by Don't Panic » Thu Oct 22, 2009 8:42 pm

Gawdzilla wrote:
DP wrote:Pshaw! Claim it was an accident.
We were short on SBDs at time. And short on BVDs. And MREs. Everything except Japanese in point of fact.
Scout Bomber Douglas aircraft, ????, Meals Ready to Eat(Surely C-Rations at the time though?)
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And those Zumwalts are already useless, they can be taken out with an ICBM.
The world is a thing of utter inordinate complexity and richness and strangeness that is absolutely awesome. I mean the idea that such complexity can arise not only out of such simplicity, but probably absolutely out of nothing, is the most fabulous extraordinary idea. And once you get some kind of inkling of how that might have happened, it's just wonderful. And . . . the opportunity to spend 70 or 80 years of your life in such a universe is time well spent as far as I am concerned.
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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Thu Oct 22, 2009 8:44 pm

DP wrote:
Gawdzilla wrote:
DP wrote:Pshaw! Claim it was an accident.
We were short on SBDs at time. And short on BVDs. And MREs. Everything except Japanese in point of fact.
Scout Bomber Douglas aircraft, ????, Meals Ready to Eat(Surely C-Rations at the time though?)
BVD is a brand of underwear.
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