In this connection, it should be remembered that no adequate maps or photographs were in the possession of the Division! "Grassy Knoll" had been designated the objective on the strength of its description by a former resident as a commanding terrain feature of unmistakable appearance which dominated the entire area of Lunga Point and the airfield. As such, it represented the key terrain feature of the area, but in actual practice, it proved to be too large and too removed in point of distance to be of controlling importance from the point of view of the relatively small forces engaged.
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How far away was the mountain?Gawdzilla wrote:In this connection, it should be remembered that no adequate maps or photographs were in the possession of the Division! "Grassy Knoll" had been designated the objective on the strength of its description by a former resident as a commanding terrain feature of unmistakable appearance which dominated the entire area of Lunga Point and the airfield. As such, it represented the key terrain feature of the area, but in actual practice, it proved to be too large and too removed in point of distance to be of controlling importance from the point of view of the relatively small forces engaged.
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Out of arty range.DP wrote:How far away was the mountain?Gawdzilla wrote:In this connection, it should be remembered that no adequate maps or photographs were in the possession of the Division! "Grassy Knoll" had been designated the objective on the strength of its description by a former resident as a commanding terrain feature of unmistakable appearance which dominated the entire area of Lunga Point and the airfield. As such, it represented the key terrain feature of the area, but in actual practice, it proved to be too large and too removed in point of distance to be of controlling importance from the point of view of the relatively small forces engaged.
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30-40 miles?Gawdzilla wrote:Out of arty range.DP wrote:How far away was the mountain?Gawdzilla wrote:In this connection, it should be remembered that no adequate maps or photographs were in the possession of the Division! "Grassy Knoll" had been designated the objective on the strength of its description by a former resident as a commanding terrain feature of unmistakable appearance which dominated the entire area of Lunga Point and the airfield. As such, it represented the key terrain feature of the area, but in actual practice, it proved to be too large and too removed in point of distance to be of controlling importance from the point of view of the relatively small forces engaged.
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1st hadn't landed anything bigger than 75s at that point. Effective/accurate range was 3-4 miles for those, IIRC. Anyway, it wasn't what they'd hoped it would be from the reports the planter had given them. He probably zipped over to the hill in his '32 Bentley with nobody shooting at him. Civilians don't think about the complications of combat.DP wrote:30-40 miles?Gawdzilla wrote:Out of arty range.DP wrote:How far away was the mountain?Gawdzilla wrote:In this connection, it should be remembered that no adequate maps or photographs were in the possession of the Division! "Grassy Knoll" had been designated the objective on the strength of its description by a former resident as a commanding terrain feature of unmistakable appearance which dominated the entire area of Lunga Point and the airfield. As such, it represented the key terrain feature of the area, but in actual practice, it proved to be too large and too removed in point of distance to be of controlling importance from the point of view of the relatively small forces engaged.
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Like minefields, machine gun nests, pill boxes, tanks, barbed wire, whorehouses, enemy soldiers, air strikes, that sort of thing?Gawdzilla wrote:1st hadn't landed anything bigger than 75s at that point. Effective/accurate range was 3-4 miles for those, IIRC. Anyway, it wasn't what they'd hoped it would be from the reports the planter had given them. He probably zipped over to the hill in his '32 Bentley with nobody shooting at him. Civilians don't think about the complications of combat.DP wrote:30-40 miles?Gawdzilla wrote:Out of arty range.DP wrote:How far away was the mountain?Gawdzilla wrote:In this connection, it should be remembered that no adequate maps or photographs were in the possession of the Division! "Grassy Knoll" had been designated the objective on the strength of its description by a former resident as a commanding terrain feature of unmistakable appearance which dominated the entire area of Lunga Point and the airfield. As such, it represented the key terrain feature of the area, but in actual practice, it proved to be too large and too removed in point of distance to be of controlling importance from the point of view of the relatively small forces engaged.
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A few thousand sons of Nippon in the tree line.DP wrote:Like minefields, machine gun nests, pill boxes, tanks, barbed wire, whorehouses, enemy soldiers, air strikes, that sort of thing?
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Napalm.Gawdzilla wrote:A few thousand sons of Nippon in the tree line.DP wrote:Like minefields, machine gun nests, pill boxes, tanks, barbed wire, whorehouses, enemy soldiers, air strikes, that sort of thing?
Jus' sayin'
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The problem with area weapons is you need to know which area they should be applied to.DP wrote:Napalm.Gawdzilla wrote:A few thousand sons of Nippon in the tree line.DP wrote:Like minefields, machine gun nests, pill boxes, tanks, barbed wire, whorehouses, enemy soldiers, air strikes, that sort of thing?
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Apply liberally prior to landing.Gawdzilla wrote:The problem with area weapons is you need to know which area they should be applied to.DP wrote:Napalm.Gawdzilla wrote:A few thousand sons of Nippon in the tree line.DP wrote:Like minefields, machine gun nests, pill boxes, tanks, barbed wire, whorehouses, enemy soldiers, air strikes, that sort of thing?
Jus' sayin'
Or did they have any of those tanks converted to flamethrowers? If your enemy insists in hiding in a giant tinderbox he should be shown why that is a bad idea extremely quickly.
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Remember, this is August, 1942. And you can't burn the whole island down. Makes the fuzzy wuzzies nervous.DP wrote:Apply liberally prior to landing.Gawdzilla wrote:The problem with area weapons is you need to know which area they should be applied to.DP wrote:Napalm.Gawdzilla wrote:A few thousand sons of Nippon in the tree line.DP wrote:Like minefields, machine gun nests, pill boxes, tanks, barbed wire, whorehouses, enemy soldiers, air strikes, that sort of thing?
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Or did they have any of those tanks converted to flamethrowers? If your enemy insists in hiding in a giant tinderbox he should be shown why that is a bad idea extremely quickly.
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Pshaw! Claim it was an accident.Gawdzilla wrote:Remember, this is August, 1942. And you can't burn the whole island down. Makes the fuzzy wuzzies nervous.DP wrote:Apply liberally prior to landing.Gawdzilla wrote:The problem with area weapons is you need to know which area they should be applied to.DP wrote:Napalm.Gawdzilla wrote: A few thousand sons of Nippon in the tree line.
Jus' sayin'
Or did they have any of those tanks converted to flamethrowers? If your enemy insists in hiding in a giant tinderbox he should be shown why that is a bad idea extremely quickly.
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We were short on SBDs at time. And short on BVDs. And MREs. Everything except Japanese in point of fact.DP wrote:Pshaw! Claim it was an accident.
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Scout Bomber Douglas aircraft, ????, Meals Ready to Eat(Surely C-Rations at the time though?)Gawdzilla wrote:We were short on SBDs at time. And short on BVDs. And MREs. Everything except Japanese in point of fact.DP wrote:Pshaw! Claim it was an accident.
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BVD is a brand of underwear.DP wrote:Scout Bomber Douglas aircraft, ????, Meals Ready to Eat(Surely C-Rations at the time though?)Gawdzilla wrote:We were short on SBDs at time. And short on BVDs. And MREs. Everything except Japanese in point of fact.DP wrote:Pshaw! Claim it was an accident.
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