More mythology on the Constitution

[Seth]

It's not just about criminals getting guns, it's about their mental stability...

Well, the obvious thing to do then is to deal with criminals and their mental stability issues, not infringe on the rights of the law-abiding and mentally stable, don't you think?

[pErvinalia]

I see that evil Marxist, Obama bin Laden, is going to attempt to sort out your shithouse gun laws to an extent with presidential authority. Are you and the teabillies going to finally overthrow the gubmint now?

Nah, we'll just wait a year and then the new President will revoke all of his rules by executive order.

Except the new prez is going to be a Democrat. You can't seriously think any of the nutbag extremists who are currently leading the GOP race are going to be voted in as president, can you?

Compared to the nutbag extremist already in office and the two nutbag extremists currently in the running for the Dems, all of the Republican candidates look positively ordinary and inoffensive. Obama's out of there, Hillary is a pathological liar to a greater extent that Obama is and is an ancient cunt anyway, and Sanders is a self-professed Marxist/socialist who hasn't a chance in hell of winning. What Sanders CAN do, thank God, is to suck left-wing extremist votes away from Hillary, which leaves the GOP in the catbird seat, regardless of who gets the nomination.

If you say so...

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[piscator]

We'll see who's oil it is...

[JimC]

It's not just about criminals getting guns, it's about their mental stability...

Well, the obvious thing to do then is to deal with criminals and their mental stability issues, not infringe on the rights of the law-abiding and mentally stable, don't you think?

My bad, my post was unclear.

What I meant was that background checks etc. are not all about checking for criminal convictions, but also on issues which may lead the gun owner into a killing spree fuelled by mental health issues. Even allowing for non-criminal, non-mentally impaired Americans* being able to own whatever arms they want, surely there is room for some cleverly imposed restrictions to reduce your chances of gun massacres?

* There must be some, I suppose...

[pErvinalia]

Gun massacres are a sign of FREEDOM(tm)!!

[piscator]

I don't give a fuck about mass shootings, unless it's Haji Kebab killing kids for God. That pisses me off.

[pErvinalia]

So kids getting killed coz some white trash is a nutjob is ok??

[piscator]

No, it's bad. I just don't give a fuck after a day or two.
They're not my kids. They're not anyone's kids I know. They're not in my spheres of influence or concern. They're just abstractions.

They're the same for you, until you want to cynically use them in a futile attempt to win an internet debate about the constitution and internal politics of a country you've never been to.


Haji Kebab killing Americans? Grease the bastards and all their kin. That's an assault on me and mine.

[piscator]

It's not just about criminals getting guns, it's about their mental stability...

Well, the obvious thing to do then is to deal with criminals and their mental stability issues, not infringe on the rights of the law-abiding and mentally stable, don't you think?

Prior restraint is illegal in the United States under the 1A. Most Commonwealthers don't get that at all.

[JimC]

So, the upshot of all this sanctimonious warbling about the fucking constitution and prior restraint is that more innocent lives will be lost to nut jobs with semi-automatic weapons...

Pretty fucked-up...

[piscator]

Who are they to you?

At least 10x as many Americans have been killed by AQ on American soil has have been killed by school shooters in the last 20 years. I don't see you crying for them?

[laklak]

Hell, in 2015 there were 343 murders in Baltimore alone. That's over 10 times the number killed in school shootings.

Red, meet Herring.

[JimC]

Tell that to the families of the dead...

[piscator]

Who are they to you?

10x more deaths due to Haji means 10x more bereaved families due to Haji.

[laklak]

Which families, the families of the kids or the families of the murder victims?

No one is saying that school shootings are a good thing. No one is arguing that the murder rate is a good thing. The argument I have when this comes up (and if I can be bothered to participate in the inevitable and predictable clusterfuck of these threads) is that the constant harping on about school shootings is an agenda driven red herring. We have over 55 million school kids in K-12, that does not count uni. The percentage of kids killed in mass shootings is minuscule compared to any other cause of death.

If anyone really wants to stop child homicides, or indeed homicides in general, they need to address the actual causes, which of course no politician is about to do because it strays perilously close to non-pc discussions of race, religion, and culture.