The Cock-Up Theory Of History?
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Who's in on this conspiracy then? To be serious a moment WW1 was started by accident. What else was? or are higher strategies at play in history? How much is contrived and how much accident?
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Chaos theory. The accidents are described by chaos theory, and then the unimaginable consequences are described by chaos theory. Now if only anyone actually understood chaos theory...
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Not new.
See: Peter Principle
The Peter Principle is the principle that "in a hierarchy every employee tends to rise to their level of incompetence"
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See: Peter Principle
The Peter Principle is the principle that "in a hierarchy every employee tends to rise to their level of incompetence"
https://www.princeton.edu/~achaney/tmve ... ciple.html
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Without cocks-up, there is no history. Only geology.
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Many an earth-shaking series of events starts with "Oh fuck..."
Yeah well that's just, like, your opinion, man.
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This alternative summary of WWI should explain everything:
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I like to think that I understand chaos theory (but perhaps I don't). Anyway, if you're interested, here is my explanation:rEvolutionist wrote:Chaos theory. The accidents are described by chaos theory, and then the unimaginable consequences are described by chaos theory. Now if only anyone actually understood chaos theory...
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Re: The Cock-Up Theory Of History?
Cocks up certainly perpetuated human history.
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Not in Africa, since they introduced the Missionary Position.jamest wrote:Cocks up certainly perpetuated human history.
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You do.lofuji wrote:I like to think that I understand chaos theory (but perhaps I don't).
I enjoyed that. Very succinct and, more importantly, accurate.Anyway, if you're interested, here is my explanation:
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Accurate? That's debatable. Ask any philosopher worth his/her salt to rationally contemplate 'chaos' and there'd be none of this guff about not being able to predict the weather after 5 days, or a comet's trajectory after so many years.
Chaos is one of those concepts which cannot avoid absoluteness, like God. As such, to use it at all would be to imply that there is some divisible realm (chaos cannot be applicable to an indivisible realm) from and for which NOTHING can ever be known.
Chaos cannot relate to a realm where definite things are known and - to a certain extent - relations between them can be understood. That's just bollocks. It's a bit like saying that God is a finite entity who likes to eat fish on a Tuesday. IT MAKES NO SENSE WRT REASON.
However the mathematicians and physicists have decided to define 'chaos', I can tell you right now that they have abused the concept. Just as they did with 'infinity' and 'nothing'.
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Chaos is one of those concepts which cannot avoid absoluteness, like God. As such, to use it at all would be to imply that there is some divisible realm (chaos cannot be applicable to an indivisible realm) from and for which NOTHING can ever be known.
Chaos cannot relate to a realm where definite things are known and - to a certain extent - relations between them can be understood. That's just bollocks. It's a bit like saying that God is a finite entity who likes to eat fish on a Tuesday. IT MAKES NO SENSE WRT REASON.
However the mathematicians and physicists have decided to define 'chaos', I can tell you right now that they have abused the concept. Just as they did with 'infinity' and 'nothing'.
Put me in power. I'll start burning their books and hanging the bastards.
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Which is fine, except for two things:jamest wrote:Accurate? That's debatable. Ask any philosopher worth his/her salt to rationally contemplate 'chaos' and there'd be none of this guff about not being able to predict the weather after 5 days, or a comet's trajectory after so many years.
1. Who gives a flying fuck what a philosopher has to say?
2. Chaos theory isn't philosophy.
You might think that, if you have exactly no fucking clue of what chaos actually is. That you erect this idiotic argument indicates only that you either didn't have the brains or the patience to read and understand the post. Or did you miss the bit where chaos is actually DETERMINISTIC.Chaos is one of those concepts which cannot avoid absoluteness, like God. As such, to use it at all would be to imply that there is some divisible realm (chaos cannot be applicable to an indivisible realm) from and for which NOTHING can ever be known.
Not the reason achievable by your tiny mind, certainly.Chaos cannot relate to a realm where definite things are known and - to a certain extent - relations between them can be understood. That's just bollocks. It's a bit like saying that God is a finite entity who likes to eat fish on a Tuesday. IT MAKES NO SENSE WRT REASON.
No, as with infinity and nothing, they've made the concept rigorous.However the mathematicians and physicists have decided to define 'chaos', I can tell you right now that they have abused the concept. Just as they did with 'infinity' and 'nothing'.
Of course you will mate. You're a fuckwit. That's what fuckwits do.Put me in power. I'll start burning their books and hanging the bastards.
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1. Lots of people, actually. Most of those who don't are fucking half-wits, like yourself.hackenslash wrote:Which is fine, except for two things:jamest wrote:Accurate? That's debatable. Ask any philosopher worth his/her salt to rationally contemplate 'chaos' and there'd be none of this guff about not being able to predict the weather after 5 days, or a comet's trajectory after so many years.
1. Who gives a flying fuck what a philosopher has to say?
2. Chaos theory isn't philosophy.
2. 'Chaos theory' might not be philosophy, but the concept of chaos is certainly open to philosophical consideration.
Are you talking about chaos or chaos theory?You might think that, if you have exactly no fucking clue of what chaos actually is.Chaos is one of those concepts which cannot avoid absoluteness, like God. As such, to use it at all would be to imply that there is some divisible realm (chaos cannot be applicable to an indivisible realm) from and for which NOTHING can ever be known.
I read the post. Interesting, but missed the mark, as usual.That you erect this idiotic argument indicates only that you either didn't have the brains or the patience to read and understand the post.
Now you're talking shite. Any theory which equates chaos with determinism is obviously the consequence of smoking car fumes.Or did you miss the bit where chaos is actually DETERMINISTIC.
You've finally admitted that there is a mind. Btw, I have a robe and sandals offer on for Easter. You need to order NOW to get them before the weekend. So, stop fucking around.Not the reason achievable by your tiny mind, certainly.Chaos cannot relate to a realm where definite things are known and - to a certain extent - relations between them can be understood. That's just bollocks. It's a bit like saying that God is a finite entity who likes to eat fish on a Tuesday. IT MAKES NO SENSE WRT REASON.
Don't be a tit. Mathematical proofs proceed the premises upon which they are built. In other words, they never achieve more than validity. Such is maths.No, as with infinity and nothing, they've made the concept rigorous.However the mathematicians and physicists have decided to define 'chaos', I can tell you right now that they have abused the concept. Just as they did with 'infinity' and 'nothing'.
I'm merciful, you'll be glad to hear.Of course you will mate. You're a fuckwit. That's what fuckwits do.Put me in power. I'll start burning their books and hanging the bastards.
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Awww, come on. You know full well that, if I'm a half-wit, you're entirely witless. Don't denigrate yourself thus. Leave that to me, not least because I'm considerably better at it.jamest wrote:1. Lots of people, actually. Most of those who don't are fucking half-wits, like yourself.
Only once properly defined, as it has been in the blog post linked above.2. 'Chaos theory' might not be philosophy, but the concept of chaos is certainly open to philosophical consideration.
Are you talking about chaos or chaos theory?
One deals with the other. As long as the distinction is understood, we're good.
Usual for what? As always, your terms go undefined (for later apologetic convenience, no doubt).I read the post. Interesting, but missed the mark, as usual.
Now you're talking shite. Any theory which equates chaos with determinism is obviously the consequence of smoking car fumes.
I can provide a great deal of more robust material here. if the citations in the Wiki article aren't sufficient for you, including several books (not least Chaos by James Gleick, which is a w0onderful précis of the topic for the layman, though possibly a bit beyond your ken).Wiki wrote:Chaos theory is a field of study in mathematics, with applications in several disciplines including meteorology, sociology, physics, engineering, economics, biology, and philosophy. Chaos theory studies the behavior of dynamical systems that are highly sensitive to initial conditions—a response popularly referred to as the butterfly effect. Small differences in initial conditions (such as those due to rounding errors in numerical computation) yield widely diverging outcomes for such dynamical systems, rendering long-term prediction impossible in general.[1] This happens even though these systems are deterministic, meaning that their future behavior is fully determined by their initial conditions, with no random elements involved.[2] In other words, the deterministic nature of these systems does not make them predictable.[3][4] This behavior is known as deterministic chaos, or simply chaos. The theory was summarized by Edward Lorenz as follows:[5]
I prefer trackies and trainers, being a de facto Northerner.You've finally admitted that there is a mind. Btw, I have a robe and sandals offer on for Easter. You need to order NOW to get them before the weekend. So, stop fucking around.
Wrong. They achieve soundness, which is more than any of your eructations have ever done.Don't be a tit. Mathematical proofs proceed [sic] the premises upon which they are built. In other words, they never achieve more than validity. Such is maths.
Phew, thank fuckwit for that.I'm merciful, you'll be glad to hear.
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Delightedhackenslash wrote: BTW, aren't you glad I'm here?
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