Tip: When Invading Canada, Start With Mustard Gas

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Tip: When Invading Canada, Start With Mustard Gas

Post by FBM » Tue Dec 27, 2011 2:59 am

I wonder why they never went through with it? I could've used a bigger back yard when I was growing up.

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A 1935 US Plan for Invasion of Canada

Submitted by F.W. Rudmin
Queen's University
Kingston, Ontario Canada

Email: rudminf@qucdn.queensu.ca
FAX: (613) 545-6611

The following is a full-text reproduction of the 1935
plan for a US invasion of Canada prepared at the US Army
War College, G-2 intelligence division, and submitted on
December 18, 1935. This is the most recent declassified
invasion plan available from the US archival sources.
Centered pagination is that of the original document. The
spelling and punctuation of the original document are
reproduced as in the original document, even when in error
by present-day norms.

This document was first identified by Richard Preston
in his 1977 book, "The Defence of the Undefended Border:
Planning for War in North America 1867-1939" (Montreal:
McGill-Queen's University Press.) Preston's reference
citation (p. 277) identified this to be archived at the US
Military History Collection, Carlisle Barracks, Pa., coded
AWC 2-1936-8, G2, no. 19A. It was located by the US
National Archives and supplied on microfilm.

The military planning context of this document is War
Plan Red, which was approved in May 1930 by the Secretary
of War and the Secretary of Navy. War Plan Red and
supporting documents are available from the US National
Archives on microfilm, in the Records of the Joint Board,
1903-1947, Roll 10, J.B. 325, Serial 435 through Serial
641. In War Plan Red, the US Army's theatre of operations
is defined to be: "All CRIMSON territory" (p.80), and the
US Army's mission, in bold type: ULTIMATELY, TO GAIN
COMPLETE CONTROL OF CRIMSON (p. 84). CRIMSON is the
colour code for Canada. In 1934, War Plan Red was amended
to authorize the immediate first use of poison gas against
Canadians and to use strategic bombing to destroy Halifax
if it could not be captured.

In February 1935, the War Department arranged a
Congressional appropriation of $57 million dollars to
build three border air bases for the purposes of
pre-emptive surprise attacks on Canadian air fields. The
base in the Great Lakes region was to be camouflaged as a
civilian airport and was to "be capable of dominating the
industrial heart of Canada, the Ontario Peninsula" from p.
61 of the February 11-13, 1935, hearings of the Committee
on Military Affairs, House of Representatives, on Air
Defense Bases (H.R. 6621 and H.R. 4130). This testimony
was to have been secret but was published by mistake. See
the New York Times, May 1, 1935, p. 1.

In August 1935, the US held its largest peacetime
military manoeuvres in history, with 36,000 troops
converging at the Canadian border south of Ottawa, and
another 15,000 held in reserve in Pennsylvania. The war
game scenario was a US motorized invasion of Canada, with
the defending forces initially repulsing the invading Blue
forces, but eventually to lose "outnumbered and outgunned"
when Blue reinforcements arrive. This according to the
Army's pamphlet "Souvenir of of the First Army Maneuvers:
The Greatest Peace Time Event in US History" (p.2).

The following document is a declassified public
domain document and may be freely reproduced. This should
be of particular interest to people in the Halifx and
Quebec City regions, then considered to be the most
strategic cities in Canada.
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Re: Tip: When Invading Canada, Start With Mustard Gas

Post by JacksSmirkingRevenge » Tue Dec 27, 2011 4:10 am

I would be more than surprised if the scenario hadn't been simulated / rehearsed 'virtually' in great detail much more recently. :ddpan:
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Re: Tip: When Invading Canada, Start With Mustard Gas

Post by JimC » Tue Dec 27, 2011 6:00 am

I wonder why...

Was it simply that war planning staffs have an itch to cover every eventuality, and Canada (and Mexico) were the obvious choices as exercises in planning land-based invasions?

Or was there some real political animosity in those days between Yanks and Canucks?
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Post by Robert_S » Tue Dec 27, 2011 6:06 am

JimC wrote:I wonder why...

Was it simply that war planning staffs have an itch to cover every eventuality, and Canada (and Mexico) were the obvious choices as exercises in planning land-based invasions?

Or was there some real political animosity in those days between Yanks and Canucks?
If we have a plan for invading everywhere, then there is no plan that is diplomatically significant just because we have it.
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Post by Atheist-Lite » Tue Dec 27, 2011 6:47 am

When the dollar finally crashes food imports will be a big issue for Americans but they make plenty of food in Canada and then there are the tar sands. To think a warlike nation suddenly put on a international lock-in via currency collapse isn't gonna take out its aggression, distract its suddenly impoverished population and take a whole lot of resources from a neighbour? Whose gonna rescue Canada? Russia who the Canadians have been calling for decades over polar mineral right claims? Europe? The UK? Maybe Japan? Everyone elsewhere will be only too pleased to see the US embroiled in a war on its own borders rather than someone elses....on that day. :smoke:
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Post by FBM » Tue Dec 27, 2011 8:46 am

JimC wrote:I wonder why...

Was it simply that war planning staffs have an itch to cover every eventuality, and Canada (and Mexico) were the obvious choices as exercises in planning land-based invasions?

Or was there some real political animosity in those days between Yanks and Canucks?
Well, they are sort of French up there...
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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Tue Dec 27, 2011 12:16 pm

"It's better to have a plan and not need it than to need a plan and not have it."

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Re: Tip: When Invading Canada, Start With Mustard Gas

Post by FBM » Tue Dec 27, 2011 12:34 pm

I'll bet the Canuckians made their own plans for a US invasion after finding out aboot this one. I wonder what a Canuckian invasion force would look like? They won't get anywhere near Washington on skidoos. And they'll die from lack of Molson in the first week, anyway.
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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Tue Dec 27, 2011 12:35 pm

FBM wrote:I'll bet the Canuckians made their own plans for a US invasion after finding out aboot this one. I wonder what a Canuckian invasion force would look like? They won't get anywhere near Washington on skidoos. And they'll die from lack of Molson in the first week, anyway.
Canada invades the US every Fall. (xlation: "Autumn".)
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Post by FBM » Tue Dec 27, 2011 2:17 pm

Gawdzilla wrote:
FBM wrote:I'll bet the Canuckians made their own plans for a US invasion after finding out aboot this one. I wonder what a Canuckian invasion force would look like? They won't get anywhere near Washington on skidoos. And they'll die from lack of Molson in the first week, anyway.
Canada invades the US every Fall. (xlation: "Autumn".)

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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Tue Dec 27, 2011 2:19 pm

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Post by FBM » Tue Dec 27, 2011 2:22 pm

As long as you got the "blame Canada" part, you can ignore the rest.
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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Tue Dec 27, 2011 2:24 pm

FBM wrote:As long as you got the "blame Canada" part, you can ignore the rest.
That's easy to do. :coffee:
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Post by JimC » Fri Dec 30, 2011 10:12 am

Turtledove has it all covered...
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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Fri Dec 30, 2011 11:11 am

JimC wrote:Turtledove has it all covered...
Only the really Harry scenarios.
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