Top Ten Most Terrifying Civilizations

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Post by Coito ergo sum » Wed Aug 01, 2012 1:25 pm

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Fair enough. If I think of the sheer stress and anxiety of day-to-day living for the average citizen of a particular country, my best guess to date would be N. Korea. Am open to new information, of course. But, fuck. N.K. has gotta be way up there.
I think North Korea took Orwell's 1984 as a dare. It is communism done to perfection.
To the point that they've deleted the word "communism" from their constitution. They don't really have any idealism except for the superiority of the Korean race, but even that is a smokescreen for the comfort of the latest Dear Leader and his minions.
Actually, North Korea is rather worse than Orwell's dystopia. There would be no way, in the capital city of Pyongyang, to wander off and get lost in the slums, let alone to rent an off-the-record love nest in a room over a shop. Everybody in the city has to be at home and in bed by curfew time, when all the lights go off (if they haven't already failed). A recent nighttime photograph of the Korean peninsula from outer space shows something that no "free-world" propaganda could invent: a blaze of electric light all over the southern half, stopping exactly at the demilitarized zone and becoming an area of darkness in the north.
Concealed in that pitch-black night is an imploding state where the only things that work are the police and the armed forces. The situation is actually slightly worse than indentured servitude. The slave owner historically promises, in effect, at least to keep his slaves fed. In North Korea, this compact has been broken. It is a famine state as well as a slave state. Partly because of the end of favorable trade relations with, and subsidies from, the former USSR, but mainly because of the lunacy of its command economy, North Korea broke down in the 1990s and lost an unguessable number of people to sheer starvation. The survivors, especially the children, have been stunted and malformed. Even on a tightly controlled tour of the place—North Korea is almost as hard to visit as it is to leave—my robotic guides couldn't prevent me from seeing people drinking from sewers and picking up individual grains of food from barren fields. (I was reduced to eating a dog, and I was a privileged "guest.") Film shot from over the Chinese border shows whole towns ruined and abandoned, with their few factories idle and cannibalized. It seems that the mines in the north of the country have been flooded beyond repair.
In consequence of this, and for the first time since the founding of Kim Il Sung's state, large numbers of people have begun to take the appalling risk of running away. If they make it, they make it across the river into China, where there is a Korean-speaking area in the remote adjoining province. There they live under the constant threat of being forcibly repatriated. The fate of the fugitive slave is not pretty: North Korea does indeed operate a system of camps, most memorably described in a book—The Aquariums of Pyongyang, by Kang Chol-Hwan—that ought to be much more famous than it is. Given what everyday life in North Korea is like, I don't have sufficient imagination to guess what life in its prison system must be, but this book gives one a hint.
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Re: Top Ten Most Terrifying Civilizations

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Wed Aug 01, 2012 1:26 pm

FBM wrote:To the point that they've deleted the word "communism" from their constitution. They don't really have any idealism except for the superiority of the Korean race, but even that is a smokescreen for the comfort of the latest Dear Leader and his minions.
Next step is to reveal a religion based around the first dear leader, now in Heaven (located somewhere along the Yalu) and the demi-god status of succeeding Dear Leaders.
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Post by Coito ergo sum » Wed Aug 01, 2012 1:33 pm

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FBM wrote:To the point that they've deleted the word "communism" from their constitution. They don't really have any idealism except for the superiority of the Korean race, but even that is a smokescreen for the comfort of the latest Dear Leader and his minions.
Next step is to reveal a religion based around the first dear leader, now in Heaven (located somewhere along the Yalu) and the demi-god status of succeeding Dear Leaders.
Party covenant Article 1 deifies Kim Il Sung. Every N.Korean has to have a portrait of Kim Il Sung in their home, and of the Kim family. They are supposed to bow to it when they pass it, even when nobody is looking. The only religion allowed a North Korean is the worship of Kim Il Sung. Not worshiping Kim Il Sung is considered an act of espionage. Being discovered practicing another religion other than Juche is punishable by public execution.

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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Wed Aug 01, 2012 1:37 pm

See? I told you so. :levi:
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Coito ergo sum wrote:
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FBM wrote:To the point that they've deleted the word "communism" from their constitution. They don't really have any idealism except for the superiority of the Korean race, but even that is a smokescreen for the comfort of the latest Dear Leader and his minions.
Next step is to reveal a religion based around the first dear leader, now in Heaven (located somewhere along the Yalu) and the demi-god status of succeeding Dear Leaders.
Party covenant Article 1 deifies Kim Il Sung. Every N.Korean has to have a portrait of Kim Il Sung in their home, and of the Kim family. They are supposed to bow to it when they pass it, even when nobody is looking. The only religion allowed a North Korean is the worship of Kim Il Sung. Not worshiping Kim Il Sung is considered an act of espionage. Being discovered practicing another religion other than Juche is punishable by public execution.
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Re: Top Ten Most Terrifying Civilizations

Post by Svartalf » Wed Aug 01, 2012 3:06 pm

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Seabass wrote:What is a "Viking Empire"?

And why isn't the Merkin Empire on that list? :sulk:

Yeah, I wondered about the Viking "Empire" too. They were never fully unified. I think they should have just referred to it as the Viking civilization.
The Normans I suspect they mean. Its a stretch though.

The Romans win hands down though if not in sheer numbers of dead (the USSR wins there I suspect) but the brutality. Join us or we kill you was the basic strategy and they did a lot of it!
Actually, I think that it's the collective of Denmark, Norway and (to a lesser extent) Iceland before 1000 or 1100 AD... when the Norse were actually doing raids and being a nuisance as barbarians... once they became Xtians, it wasn't the same. and the Normans were thoroughly accultured to mainland civilisation... once Göngu Hrolf became Dux Normannorum, he and his folk stopped being vikings... by the time their descendents invaded England, they were normal Western knights.
Vikings were Norway, Sweden and Denmark folk. The Swedes mainly headed east, and raided the Baltic areas, and went up the rivers into Russia and Ukraine, and interacted with the eastern Empire. The Norse from Norway settled Iceland, and then later Greenland, and even Newfoundland. The Norwegians also raided the Orkneys, Hebrides, and founded the city of Dublin. Lots of Norse in Ireland and Scotland back in the day. The Danes invaded England, and founded the Danelaw. There was a Great Army of Vikings rambling around England for decades. The Viking Age is sort said to have started with the Norwegian raid on Lindesfarne where they showed up and destroyed a monastery and killed almost all the priests and stole all the wealth. That was in 793AD, I think. And, the Viking Age pretty much came to a dramatic end on Stamford Bridge in 1066 when the famous Norwegian viking Harald Hardrada took an arrow in the throat and the Viking attempt to conquer England failed. From what I read, Harald's army could very possibly have defeated Harold Godwinson at Stamford Bridge, had they had their armor (which had been left on their ships). It was only a month later that the Normans under Gonga-Rolf's (or Rollo) descendant William the Bastard (aka the Conqueror) defeated Godwinson at the Battle of Hastings. That was in 1066. From 793 to 1066, the Vikings were all over Europe, raiding French cities, raping and pillaging in England and Scotland and Ireland, and participating as hired mercenaries in wars all over the Mediterranean. They made a big splash.

They had a Klingon like religion, too. reveling in battle and heroism. They raised their kids to fight, and being a warrior was a good thing to aspire to. Death in battle was an honor, and was the only way to be picked by a Valkyrie to go to Valhalla.
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Post by Tero » Wed Aug 01, 2012 3:58 pm

Them Indoeuropeans came and forced an entire continent into their silly language. Now we are stuck using their primitive invention, the article, to distinguish a goat and the goat.

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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Wed Aug 01, 2012 4:06 pm

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Post by padraic » Sat Sep 08, 2012 8:36 am

Tyrannical wrote:I don't think the Maori or Apache qualify as a civilization.


Arguably not, but pretty terrifying cultures just the same

Some which were both civilisations AND terrifying:


Rome

Aztec,Inca and Maya

The British empire at its colonial zenith; utterly ruthless and amoral, making hypocrisy into an art form.

Today for many countries,the US is the most hated and feared empire on the planet,but fortunately in decline. :pop:

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Post by klr » Fri Feb 22, 2013 9:56 am

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Post by Blind groper » Mon Mar 18, 2013 12:54 am

padraic wrote:
Tyrannical wrote:I don't think the Maori or Apache qualify as a civilization.

As a New Zealander, let me agree, at least for Maori. Their culture was as primitive as it is possible to be, and they had no unity. They were a mutually antagonistic mess of tribes and sub tribes scattered up and down NZ. They fought each other, took slaves, and ate their enemies while raping their enemy's wives and daughters. Their technology was lower stone age. They did not have bows and arrows, metals, pottery, tanning, or anything above carved stone, bone, and wood. Their clothes were very primitive, and they kept warm huddling round a fire. Warfare was based on two sides flailing clubs at each other. The best you can say is that, in war, the death toll was low, due to their own lack of technology and warfare ineptitude.

Nasty, yes. Civilised, no.
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Post by Horwood Beer-Master » Mon Mar 18, 2013 1:03 am

Blind groper wrote:...ate their enemies while raping their enemy's wives and daughters...
So on the plus side; great multitaskers :tup:
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Post by Blind groper » Mon Mar 18, 2013 1:51 am

Horwood Beer-Master wrote: So on the plus side; great multitaskers
More than that.
The Maori have proved to be great adapters. They have entered our western civilisation and thrived. There are a few, of course, that still struggle. But there are numerous descendants of the primitive Maori of old who are now politicians, lawyers, accountants, and even worthwhile professionals like doctors and engineers.
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