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I really don't follow. Our experiences tell us nothing about metaphysical reality. All they tell us about is our experienced (i.e. empirical) reality. There.is.no.separate.fucking."metaphysical reality".as.opposed.to.the.reality.of.experience. Goddammit. :banghead: Fucking hell. I'm not learning an...

rEvolutionist wrote:...I don't follow. Can you try and explain it another way?

No. You, I and practically everyone else have a working understanding of what reality is based on the sum total of our experiences. This is metaphysics.

OK. I thought I was expressing myself forthrightly rather than aggressively and unfriendly, and I was actually looking forward to having my point of view tested. If it fell apart it wouldn't have been the first time that someone has convinced me of my errors, nor was it likely to have been the last...

Physics is the pursuit of knowledge of what is ultimately real, not just what works. Wtf. Is this a mispelling, or are you talking the piss out of Hermit. Physics absolutely says nothing about what is ultimately real. What is the spin of an electron, according to physicists? Is that value ultimatel...

But the claim is that it tells us something about reality (or perhaps 'claims about reality'). I want to know what this is? I want to know what gives metaphysics special status among regular run of the mill logic. What's it telling me that I couldn't already work out with logic? And what does "real...

But the real question is: what can it tell us? As far as I can tell, it doesn't tell us anything other than whether an argument is logically sound or shit. I hope you're taking the piss here. Metaphysics is about the conclusions we must logically infer from physics and the other sciences. Physicist...

Was I being aggressive or unfriendly, or are you just turfing this discussion in the too hard basket? Assuming that you're talking to me, I'm tossing it in the "It's a waste of time to debate with an aggressive, unfriendly person who had already steadfastly closed his mind on the topic." It's none ...

OK, Hermit. Have it your way.

What the fuck does that have to do with metaphysics as defined above?

Where are you seeing "badness"?

Not sure why metaphysics gets such a bad rap: Metaphysics is a traditional branch of philosophy concerned with explaining the fundamental nature of being and the world that encompasses it,[1] although the term is not easily defined.[2] Traditionally, metaphysics attempts to answer two basic question...

I don't know anybody here who has made that suggestion.

Nope. I just don't have any interest in that line of thought. I'm busy elsewhere.

No, thank you. I'm fine.

OK, Hermit.